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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg it's quite normal

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for new guests or friends the power cast

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to be asked what kind of like they're

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using and it's so frequent that they're

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using blue mics like I have a blue Yeti

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and Randall has blue snowball and our

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special guest Brian Bonner has a blue

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snowball and they're getting free

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advertising which isn't too fair but

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that's how life goes but blue also is

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just bought out by Logitech so I don't

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know what's gonna happen maybe they will

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give up their professional mics Chris

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Logitech you know gaming and advanced

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input devices oh it's awful

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well blue they just think dominated the

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market because they just gave us a

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half-decent mic you could plug directly

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into your USB port

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I like the Yeti because it's a better

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sounding mic no criticism that's got a

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mute switch right nandus I'm imagining

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that one's also direct to USB right yes

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direct to USB they do have a blue Yeti

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Pro which can be used direct to USB or

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with XLR connectors to an external mixer

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but lately I have not been using the

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external mixer because I reached a point

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where getting the same sound the mixer

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gives me better flexibility in muting

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but the mute switch is pretty quiet on

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this mic so why am i doing that why are

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we talking about this while we're

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talking to new friend of the show Brian

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Bonner he's associated with the rock key

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let me get this correct here so they're

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confused here it's a long name it is the

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Society is there an acronym for that

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no it's an initialism because you can

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pronounce an acronym so that the long

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answer is no byways guys shirt custom

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shirt so let me ask you Brian you are

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terms of paranormal but what

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led you from a normal life if you had a

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normal life to being interested in the

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paranormal well I always tell people

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that it was pretty much bad choices and

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lots of alcohol but realistically I'll

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see it in a way that I I always do I

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blame mother when I was growing up she

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really loved horror movies and she

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wanted somebody to watch them with her

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but I was really way too young to be

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doing that so she made me watch them

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with her and explained how they worked

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and what they were and that they weren't

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real you know this is how the effects

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are done sort of a thing and as I got

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older I was watching all of these same

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types of films but they were now

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starting to say based on a true story

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inspired by actual events and that got

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me confused because I grew up learning

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that it was all make-believe and then

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all of a sudden it's real so I initially

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set out to find out what the truth

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behind that was and it just kind of led

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its way into her normal research just to

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show a connection here very slightly the

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person who was responsible for the

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beginnings of my interests mostly in

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sci-fi but led to UFOs person

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responsible was my late brother Wally

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that's Wallace H Steinberg and if you

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want to know who he was he has a New

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York Times obituary he was a big deal in

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while the early big pharma people and

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died too young like 23 years ago

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in any case when I was a kid he was 11

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years older than I he would tell me

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horror stories and he play the old shows

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on the radio the shadow and everything I

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think he wanted to frighten me to death

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or something but here I am I'm still

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here so maybe it had the reverse effect

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that's how I got involved but when you

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went into the working world did that

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influence your final decision or what

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well what really influenced it as far as

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being able to to justify what I was

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doing was the fact that it seemed to be

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all of my education all of my interest

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and that since then I've actually

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learned tons more but that's really

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where the the working aspect of it came

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from you know if for example I went to

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college for photography that's a great

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thing to have when you're getting into

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this field of research what kind of work

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do you do well now I do nothing related

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to it I work for a utility company but

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you know sometimes it's all about the

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money can you give us maybe a couple of

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examples of how your experience with

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photography has helped you in your

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investigation with the paranormal well

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it definitely initially what would

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happen is people were bringing forward

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all sorts of things saying you know here

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is my ghost picture here is what I

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believe is some sort of proof of the

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paranormal and what would happen is me

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not knowing any better about anything

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paranormal would look at it from a

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completely photographic standpoint and

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go oh hold on a minute I know what that

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is being able to go in and try and help

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people explain any just normal

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photograph Kannamma leas and over the

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years it's been helpful because

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especially with you know 20 years of

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looking at you know people's ghost

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pictures it's nice to be able to say

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okay this you know this may have been

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what caused it it might not necessarily

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be a ghost so let's take a look and see

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what it might be all right so you're

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looking at ghost pictures of course

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we've all seen all those crazy reality

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shows where they have photos of ghosts

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or maybe it's mysteriously enough when

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the cameras show up the ghosts take the

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cue as if they're performers live

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performers and they make themselves

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visible at least for the sake of the

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producers do you get much in a way of

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UFO pictures they seem to come in waves

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what I've noticed over the years is

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interest in paranormal topics seems to

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be cyclical about things for a while

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it's UFOs

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then it's cryptids then it's ghosts UFOs

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were really hot probably six or seven

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years ago and it's starting to come back

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now I'm starting to see a little bit but

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it's definitely slowed down over the

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past few years so for your purposes how

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anything that is that's a really good

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question anything that's at least

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assumed to be unexplainable unexplained

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something that you know everything for

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the most part that's under science right

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now at one point probably would have

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been labeled paranormal because we

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didn't understand it and I really think

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that's where the paranormal Falls is

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it's things that we just haven't either

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come up with an explanation for or our

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mislabelling something because

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technically everything should be normal

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natural so saying something supernatural

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to me just means that we don't really

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understand it right now okay that's fair

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enough because there's so many different

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interpretations of what it means but you

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seem to be a very rational person

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someone who's looking at the phenomena

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from a skeptical and critical thinking

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perspective so getting our terms defined

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into beginning is probably one of the

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best ways to start the conversation well

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and one of the things that and it's made

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it terribly difficult over the years is

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trying to keep some sort of a scientific

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protocol to it which it field is darn

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near impossible but you know if we're

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going to be accepted with whatever

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results we come up with in the rest of

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the world we need to be able to

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legitimately say we've applied you know

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the scientific method to it we've tested

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things we've ruled out all the other

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answers and in doing that you know and

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unfortunately it it does knock out a lot

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of things that would be considered

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evidence otherwise you know I'm going to

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ask you some more questions about that

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me and Randall as we progress our guest

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Brian Bonner of the Rocky Mountain

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about that two or two come with gene and

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para cast comm you know it still sounds

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like Princess Bride in Princess Bride

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somebody was trying to sound like a

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ghost or something

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and that's how it goes that's the

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interesting question to Brian do you

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find people faking ghosts reports

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obviously in terms of UFOs most photos

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are just lights in the sky so there

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could be anything and frankly I think

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you might agree the ones that show a lot

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of specific things are more apt to be

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faked in terms of ghost photographs or

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things and supposedly are showing

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apparitions Brian do you see a lot of

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fakery there I don't see as many fakes

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as I do

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misunderstandings and the reason I say

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that is most when they go ghost hunting

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that's literally what they're doing is

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going ghost hunting so they're looking

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for the ghosts they're not looking for

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whatever the explanation be maybe ghosts

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or otherwise so when you're trying to

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interpret and photographs are a great

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example something that you may not be a

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expert in anything that's unexplainable

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becomes that ghost that you're looking

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for so I see that more than I do fakes

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now with the advent of the

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a ghost app on cellphones that's

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definitely been a a thorn in the side

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because I'm constantly looking at

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pictures that people have obviously

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created in their phone and they're

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saying look we finally captured a ghost

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it's like no you use this app so I have

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to buy all of the apps and keep the

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ghosts on file to know what people are

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faking tell me more about the ghost app

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is that something I can download for my

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iPhone

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there are probably I'm gonna say about

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two dozen apps that you can get for your

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iPhone that are add a ghost to my

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photograph and I share a lot of the same

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ghosts some of them are so over the top

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you could never accept them one of the

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things that I think's interesting is

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even though they're taking a color

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photograph the bulk of the images that

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they use in these ghost apps are black

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and white so that's kind of a good give

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and it's not limited to ghosts they

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actually have UFO apps they have some

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apps that will drop a Bigfoot into your

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picture and you know they're for

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entertainment people are trying to you

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know put them forward as evidence to

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mess with people how about stuff like

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orbs you where they have the sort of

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like soap bubble type things that people

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are calling apparitions sometimes with

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reflections in them or how is that

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explained photographically well there's

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that's one of the things that really got

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me into it because I was looking at

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those and they seemed to be something

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I'd encountered outside of paranormal

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and pretty much explained it away at

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that point but in looking at the history

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of photography pre digital photography

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you didn't see a lot of you know quote

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orbs and the reason being back even when

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you know we were doing ghost hunting

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with film you were really particular

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about how you took a photograph because

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it cost a lot of money every time you

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pulled that shutter button and you'd

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actually think about it is this picture

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gonna turn out if I got it framed right

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now

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people go into conditions that the

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camera really wasn't designed to working

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in the first place and get bizarre

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results and those bizarre results once

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again seem to equal ghosts most of the

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time blob it's bizarre it has to be a

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ghost well of course now the thing is a

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lot of things can can cause the what

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people would refer to as orbs I hate to

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use the word dust because it's such a on

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cement but dust is a portion of it any

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type of airborne particulate and if you

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don't think that there's any type of

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dust floating in the air grab a laser

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and take a look at the beam if you can

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see the beam there's something floating

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in the air it's just that we don't

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notice it we're so used to it and it's

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not illuminated with a really bright

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light or a flash while we're looking so

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that's like for maybe people who haven't

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used the laser sometimes say if you're

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in a dark room and you just open the

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window just a crack you'll get the shaft

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of light coming in and you can see all

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the dust floating around in the air that

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kind of an impact absolutely in fact if

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you're ever at a movie theater just look

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back at the projection booth and watch

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the beam coming out of the booth oh

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that's perfect yes it's the same thing

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you know let me ask you something here

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quickly in terms of effects in the

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presentation this week ladies and

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gentlemen by Tim Cook and crew Apple

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with a new iPhone 10s and 10's Macs they

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were showing you advanced editing

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features for your photographs for your

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movies in addition to iMovie I mean you

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can do extraordinary things almost

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professional on an iPhone in fact the

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famous director Steven Soderbergh what

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does he do he shoots motion pictures on

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iPhones absolutely and that's the thing

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with cell phones it's been possible but

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it's getting much much better but

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anybody that has pretty much any skill

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whatsoever can find a way

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who edit video and photos on their

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computer it's so simple and I'll give

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you an example the first time that I

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ever tried faking a UFO or a ghost

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photograph it was in the I'm gonna say

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early 90s and they were pretty

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successful jobs and this was when things

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like Photoshop were just starting to

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come out so as long as you had access to

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the equipment and it doesn't have to be

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really high-end equipment it can be done

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very easily let me tell you here you can

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get an iPhone 10 the new one the 10x you

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can probably lease it from AT&T next and

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other services for about forty dollars a

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month a has all these tools free on it

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absolutely and you know there are some

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other apps out there that are free or

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extremely cheap that even in video you

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can add UFOs to your videos you can add

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just all sorts of things not just the

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stills that's that's where it's gone now

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I mean I can I can have Bigfoot run

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across the front of the screen or I can

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have a UFO landing in the background of

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my video and to the untrained person

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there's no way for them to not have a

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reason to think that it's real

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especially when the source is coming to

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you saying look what I saw last night

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look what I finally captured on film yes

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some of it looks so real that I thought

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a little bit of an experience with it

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but I have to actually research it and

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go and try and cross-reference to clip

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and find out how it was made and who it

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was made by and then I might find oh

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this was a demo real for a movie that

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was to be made in Japan or some foreign

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country that has just leaked out onto

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the Internet

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and it's completely special effected but

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I would have no way to know there's no

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little lines around it it looks like

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it's part of the scene it all seems to

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to make sense how does the average

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person

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able to differentiate between those and

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the real thing if there is such a thing

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you know and let's hold that question

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the answer to it from Brian to our next

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segment okay Brian Jean Randall you're

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Carolina's old record for rainfall was

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twenty four inches from Floyd nearly 20

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years ago we have already broken that

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half inches and that number is only

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going to go up widespread amounts still

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expected to be about 6 to 12 inches the

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locations are beginning to change now

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the heavier rain for places like Raleigh

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now going to start to get a lot of that

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heavy rain more than 800,000 people

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remain without power in North Carolina

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and governor Roy Cooper says a little

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calm you're listening to the para cast

602
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echo is overwhelming you Randall in fact

603
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I think you're lost in an echo chamber

604
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:07,669
I'll give you an anecdote of that Paul

605
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McCartney in his rolling stone interview

606
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pointed out that in the early days of

607
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the Beatles in the 60s they didn't have

608
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digital effects okay before digital so

609
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they had physical echo chambers in the

610
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studio and he and his other compatriots

611
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as three other Beatles would go into one

612
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of these echo chambers huddle in the

613
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corner and smoke you know the substance

614
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mentioned indirectly and got to get you

615
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into my life that's why it's about my

616
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mics not digital

617
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it's not even electronic doesn't even

618
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have a battery that's my mean my echo

619
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mic

620
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have you ever actually seen a mechanical

621
00:27:55,810 --> 00:27:52,730
reverb it has a microphone on one end a

622
00:28:01,149 --> 00:27:55,820
speaker on the other and between the two

623
00:28:04,779 --> 00:28:01,159
it has Springs that vibrate as you talk

624
00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:04,789
exactly that's what this thing has it's

625
00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:07,120
got a little spring inside of it yep and

626
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that's that's what gives it its sound

627
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now that everybody knows and it only

628
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cost I think about dollar fifty and it

629
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:18,950
sounds like it's worth every penny of it

630
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I promise you gotta lay back on it I can

631
00:28:26,379 --> 00:28:24,190
barely understand in the other part

632
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Randall you asked a question before the

633
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last segment maybe recap it slightly and

634
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give Brian a chance to respond sure how

635
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is the average person supposed to be

636
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able to differentiate between these

637
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high-quality fakes and the real thing

638
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that's the problem is you can't it takes

639
00:28:48,129 --> 00:28:46,039
somebody that either a has a long

640
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history of looking at things so you can

641
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at least come up with a suspicion of

642
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where to look or how to examine it

643
00:28:57,820 --> 00:28:54,890
one of the things that's kind of nice

644
00:29:01,810 --> 00:28:57,830
with especially the still stuff but even

645
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even video at this point is the cameras

646
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:03,650
and the software throw a lot of data

647
00:29:09,340 --> 00:29:07,490
onto that file so when somebody sends me

648
00:29:12,460 --> 00:29:09,350
an image and says what do you think

649
00:29:16,090 --> 00:29:12,470
about this well in the old days before

650
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digital it was rather hard to say I know

651
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exactly what happened when you took this

652
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but now I can crack open your file and

653
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say I know you took it at this date at

654
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this location with these settings so I

655
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can start putting the pieces together to

656
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say well this might be what caused it

657
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and those pieces of metadata can be

658
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modified though I have software that I

659
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can you know absolutely fake a

660
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photograph and then go in and change it

661
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so it looks like it hasn't been modified

662
00:29:53,409 --> 00:29:49,909
so you've got to watch out for that too

663
00:29:57,549 --> 00:29:53,419
so it's unfortunately become a world

664
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:57,559
where your evidence whatever it may be

665
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is only as credible as the people that

666
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you're getting it from you have in your

667
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bio it says that you've got experience

668
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with deception detection and what is

669
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that exactly

670
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imagine let's say interrogation

671
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techniques when you're talking to people

672
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to determine are they telling you the

673
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truth and I've taken several courses on

674
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that in order to not necessarily see if

675
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people are telling me the truth as far

676
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as you know do they believe it or are

677
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they telling me a third party story and

678
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do they believe what they're telling me

679
00:30:45,940 --> 00:30:43,850
so just it's the whole belief behind it

680
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:45,950
if somebody comes to me and I know for a

681
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:48,049
fact that they're making stuff up

682
00:30:53,260 --> 00:30:51,039
it makes it a lot quicker of a case and

683
00:30:56,649 --> 00:30:53,270
the other thing that you run into is

684
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people tend to escalate the stories so

685
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if you go to somebody's house and they

686
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say well we've been hearing you know

687
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weird what sounds like footsteps around

688
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the house

689
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and you may be able to say well we've

690
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discovered down in the crawl space that

691
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you have loose pipes in a water heater

692
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:13,060
and every time it kicks on it sounds

693
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like somebody walking down the hallway

694
00:31:20,430 --> 00:31:17,320
they'll ramp it up to the next step

695
00:31:23,130 --> 00:31:20,440
they'll say but what about this and you

696
00:31:24,150 --> 00:31:23,140
say okay well about this and they work

697
00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:24,160
their way up to the point where the

698
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walls were bleeding the night before and

699
00:31:31,380 --> 00:31:29,680
there's two things number one if that

700
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:31,390
was really happening that probably would

701
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:33,970
have been your starting argument but

702
00:31:41,580 --> 00:31:37,740
also it's helpful to be able to see

703
00:31:43,590 --> 00:31:41,590
people just tend to add the stories

704
00:31:46,770 --> 00:31:43,600
naturally I mean it's not even something

705
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:46,780
that you intentionally do so it's more

706
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:50,710
of an interpersonal skill than it is

707
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:52,330
with the technical so you've got the

708
00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:55,120
cameras the technical equipment on one

709
00:31:59,700 --> 00:31:56,200
side and then you've got the actual

710
00:32:03,950 --> 00:31:59,710
in-person interview absolutely and

711
00:32:06,980 --> 00:32:03,960
honestly I think while the the

712
00:32:09,390 --> 00:32:06,990
psychological side of things isn't

713
00:32:13,470 --> 00:32:09,400
something that we can put forward as

714
00:32:15,780 --> 00:32:13,480
true evidence it's a great way to at

715
00:32:18,810 --> 00:32:15,790
least start looking towards what that

716
00:32:20,430 --> 00:32:18,820
evidence may be and knowing that

717
00:32:22,380 --> 00:32:20,440
somebody's telling you the truth

718
00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:22,390
even if they're misinterpreting

719
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:25,860
something is a much better start and

720
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:28,930
using critical thinking I think is much

721
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:32,320
more important than any any tool you can

722
00:32:37,650 --> 00:32:35,440
use so critical thinking that's a really

723
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:37,660
important thing I'm a big fan of that

724
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:40,450
myself here on the podcast one of our

725
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:43,090
I'm a big fan of critical thinking as

726
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:45,730
well and here on the podcast one of our

727
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:47,710
mottos is separating the signal from the

728
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:50,080
noise and critical thinking I think is a

729
00:32:55,140 --> 00:32:52,810
really excellent tool for doing that how

730
00:33:00,840 --> 00:32:55,150
do you define critical thinking for your

731
00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:00,850
purposes for our purpose is let me give

732
00:33:07,020 --> 00:33:04,470
you an example here when there's two

733
00:33:10,220 --> 00:33:07,030
general schools of people not using

734
00:33:14,649 --> 00:33:10,230
critical thinking you have the cynics

735
00:33:18,460 --> 00:33:14,659
who don't believe in

736
00:33:20,349 --> 00:33:18,470
absolutely anything they could have a

737
00:33:24,009 --> 00:33:20,359
Bigfoot jump out in front of them and

738
00:33:26,849 --> 00:33:24,019
they would say no it's a fake you have

739
00:33:28,629 --> 00:33:26,859
the other side which I'll call the

740
00:33:31,450 --> 00:33:28,639
non-believing cynics

741
00:33:33,609 --> 00:33:31,460
the the are sorry the believing cynics

742
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:33,619
or just flat-out believers that

743
00:33:39,159 --> 00:33:36,049
regardless of what kind of a rational

744
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:39,169
explanation they're always going to fall

745
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:42,320
back on the paranormal explanation well

746
00:33:46,690 --> 00:33:44,809
we try to do is stay right in the middle

747
00:33:49,149 --> 00:33:46,700
on the skeptical and I know it's a bad

748
00:33:51,489 --> 00:33:49,159
word but skeptic means that you're open

749
00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:51,499
to all interpretations until you can

750
00:33:57,339 --> 00:33:54,529
come up with a rational explanation or a

751
00:34:00,810 --> 00:33:57,349
reasonable explanation and trying to

752
00:34:03,129 --> 00:34:00,820
keep that mindset is very difficult

753
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:03,139
we've actually come up with a thing that

754
00:34:08,529 --> 00:34:04,609
we call the chart of how to not be

755
00:34:12,399 --> 00:34:08,539
stupid what that is are you familiar

756
00:34:15,700 --> 00:34:12,409
with Ockham's razor yes so well for

757
00:34:19,180 --> 00:34:15,710
those that don't to make it a quick one

758
00:34:22,750 --> 00:34:19,190
the Occam's razor is a scientific axiom

759
00:34:25,329 --> 00:34:22,760
that says all things considered the

760
00:34:27,849 --> 00:34:25,339
simplest explanation is usually the

761
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:27,859
correct one so when you're looking at a

762
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:29,839
case and they say I was sitting in my

763
00:34:36,909 --> 00:34:33,919
bedroom and I heard something at the

764
00:34:40,059 --> 00:34:36,919
window scratching you have to start with

765
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:40,069
the rationale commonly explainable

766
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:41,690
things before you could jump to the

767
00:34:46,210 --> 00:34:44,510
paranormal explanation you have to say

768
00:34:47,980 --> 00:34:46,220
well is there a tree outside the window

769
00:34:50,529 --> 00:34:47,990
was there a dog outside the window is it

770
00:34:52,899 --> 00:34:50,539
possible there's wildlife you have to go

771
00:34:55,659 --> 00:34:52,909
through all of these things before you

772
00:34:58,359 --> 00:34:55,669
can even start to consider any type of a

773
00:35:02,079 --> 00:34:58,369
paranormal explanation the problem that

774
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:02,089
you run into is while you may go through

775
00:35:07,089 --> 00:35:03,770
all of what you think are the logical

776
00:35:09,549 --> 00:35:07,099
explanations if you talk to more people

777
00:35:11,260 --> 00:35:09,559
it seems like it's a gulp it keeps

778
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:11,270
moving away from you because you're like

779
00:35:14,620 --> 00:35:12,890
oh I didn't think about that let's look

780
00:35:18,430 --> 00:35:14,630
at this explanation oh well I didn't

781
00:35:20,380 --> 00:35:18,440
think about this let's try that so being

782
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:20,390
able to go into someplace with a

783
00:35:26,589 --> 00:35:24,170
completely open mind and not keep your

784
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:26,599
own personal biases with you - I mean

785
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:28,610
that the two explanations that I would

786
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:30,650
have are if you go into a house after

787
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:33,650
you have gone to 20 investigations that

788
00:35:37,690 --> 00:35:35,090
nothing has happened

789
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:37,700
you are pretty cynical in what you're

790
00:35:41,260 --> 00:35:39,170
doing you're like there's just no such

791
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:41,270
thing as ghosts I just I don't know why

792
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:44,240
I'm doing this anymore or you go into

793
00:35:48,430 --> 00:35:46,490
this creepy old mansion that's been

794
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:48,440
abandoned for a year and has all these

795
00:35:53,410 --> 00:35:51,770
ghost stories attached to it and it's

796
00:35:55,180 --> 00:35:53,420
the other way you're like how could this

797
00:35:59,290 --> 00:35:55,190
place not be haunted

798
00:36:03,850 --> 00:35:59,300
so using that critical thinking to apply

799
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:03,860
just common sense to things is really I

800
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:06,530
think the most important part the most

801
00:36:11,050 --> 00:36:09,110
important part right now is to break for

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a few pieces of business and then back

803
00:36:16,590 --> 00:36:14,060
with Brian and Jean and Randall Randall

804
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lay back have been on the echo you're in

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822
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823
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824
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825
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844
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:10,560
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845
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:12,450
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846
00:38:18,290 --> 00:38:15,330
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847
00:38:20,540 --> 00:38:18,300
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849
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850
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851
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852
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853
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855
00:38:43,609 --> 00:38:41,790
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856
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,619
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857
00:38:47,660 --> 00:38:45,119
ago when they tried to seize my mother's

858
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860
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865
00:39:03,530 --> 00:39:00,510
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867
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:06,210
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868
00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:09,510
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869
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,270
this is Elizabeth McCabe aka lucky one

870
00:39:15,830 --> 00:39:14,160
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871
00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:15,840
you all about extend a fight from heart

872
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:17,640
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873
00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:19,410
before I air it when I heard about

874
00:39:23,630 --> 00:39:21,780
extend a Viton TFR I went to heart drop

875
00:39:24,260 --> 00:39:23,640
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876
00:39:26,060 --> 00:39:24,270
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877
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that's good for blood and circulation it

878
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879
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:29,340
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880
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881
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:32,700
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882
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,650
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884
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885
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886
00:39:44,780 --> 00:39:42,060
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887
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:44,790
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888
00:39:47,870 --> 00:39:46,530
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889
00:39:49,970 --> 00:39:47,880
this because it's true and I want you to

890
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:49,980
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891
00:39:54,830 --> 00:39:52,140
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893
00:39:59,359 --> 00:39:57,000
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894
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895
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896
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897
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:04,060
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898
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instead your life with fixed edge Oh

899
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:14,380
[Music]

900
00:40:17,980 --> 00:40:16,640
why wouldn't you like this house not

901
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:17,990
here got caught drinking beer in the

902
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:20,330
park a couple of nights ago really yeah

903
00:40:24,670 --> 00:40:21,890
zero tolerance he's out for the season

904
00:40:27,370 --> 00:40:24,680
harsh hey he knew not to drink with me

905
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:27,380
they cleared all of our kids right uh no

906
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:28,250
not really

907
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:29,690
though if we don't tell them what we

908
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:31,970
expect and why edition drink how are

909
00:40:36,650 --> 00:40:42,770
[Music]

910
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:45,840
hi this is James Fox from chasing UFOs

911
00:40:54,450 --> 00:40:48,610
you're listening to the Parekh at the

912
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:54,460
gold standard of paranormal radio the

913
00:41:03,450 --> 00:41:00,880
almost echo free Randle Brian among

914
00:41:06,210 --> 00:41:03,460
you've obviously uncovered fakes in

915
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:06,220
terms of ghost photos which we talked

916
00:41:11,460 --> 00:41:09,490
about earlier are you aware or have you

917
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:11,470
encountered any ones that you just can't

918
00:41:18,890 --> 00:41:16,240
figure out the explanation for not

919
00:41:21,060 --> 00:41:18,900
really I mean there are some that

920
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:21,070
imagine somebody handing you a picture

921
00:41:26,580 --> 00:41:23,410
where there's just like an extra person

922
00:41:31,230 --> 00:41:26,590
in the photograph and they say that

923
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:31,240
person absolutely wasn't there when the

924
00:41:38,250 --> 00:41:35,650
photograph was taken my answer is okay

925
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:38,260
I can't tell you that they were there

926
00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:41,890
but by all aspects of looking at the

927
00:41:45,330 --> 00:41:43,750
picture and what I know about it there

928
00:41:50,130 --> 00:41:45,340
was somebody there when the picture was

929
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:50,140
taken so it falls back into something

930
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:52,680
that I I kind of hold near and dear but

931
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:55,930
both sides really hate me using the the

932
00:41:59,880 --> 00:41:58,720
word is a personal experience and I

933
00:42:03,060 --> 00:41:59,890
think that's one of the things that

934
00:42:05,460 --> 00:42:03,070
really keeps us going is you me

935
00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:05,470
everybody have probably had at least a

936
00:42:10,050 --> 00:42:08,110
handful of personal experiences that we

937
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:10,060
just haven't been able to come up with a

938
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:13,050
rational explanation for completely and

939
00:42:17,580 --> 00:42:15,970
that's that's amazing and as long as it

940
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:17,590
wasn't something that's horrifying you

941
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:19,210
that's that's beautiful hold on to it

942
00:42:26,250 --> 00:42:21,490
keep it not not everybody gets to have

943
00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:26,260
that one so it's a hard call can you

944
00:42:32,010 --> 00:42:29,710
tell us about some cases to where some

945
00:42:34,740 --> 00:42:32,020
other point paranormal investigators

946
00:42:37,860 --> 00:42:34,750
have got it horribly wrong it usually

947
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:37,870
starts like this it's 2 or 3 o'clock in

948
00:42:44,580 --> 00:42:42,490
the morning and my phone rings and it's

949
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:44,590
some person crying on the other end of

950
00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:48,160
the phone saying I am so sorry we didn't

951
00:42:52,339 --> 00:42:50,710
contact you to start with but we just

952
00:42:55,249 --> 00:42:52,349
had another team out here

953
00:42:58,999 --> 00:42:55,259
they verified that the house has no

954
00:43:02,539 --> 00:42:59,009
insert here you demons ghosts whatever

955
00:43:05,329 --> 00:43:02,549
and they left and said that they can't

956
00:43:05,809 --> 00:43:05,339
really do anything about it now what do

957
00:43:10,489 --> 00:43:05,819
we do

958
00:43:13,339 --> 00:43:10,499
at that point there's no way to do a

959
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:13,349
legitimate investigation and even if we

960
00:43:18,259 --> 00:43:15,599
were able to come up with any kind of

961
00:43:20,539 --> 00:43:18,269
rational explanation as to what it was

962
00:43:23,630 --> 00:43:20,549
they've already been told by somebody

963
00:43:26,930 --> 00:43:23,640
who unfortunately has been perceived as

964
00:43:30,620 --> 00:43:26,940
an expert that they have whatever the

965
00:43:34,370 --> 00:43:30,630
problem may be so that's usually how it

966
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:34,380
starts and we've had a lot of cases that

967
00:43:40,489 --> 00:43:37,380
and I hate going down this path but I

968
00:43:43,729 --> 00:43:40,499
always end up there one of the current

969
00:43:50,499 --> 00:43:43,739
trends over probably the past I'm gonna

970
00:43:52,819 --> 00:43:50,509
say 10 maybe a little less years is for

971
00:43:55,549 --> 00:43:52,829
families that have some sort of a

972
00:43:58,729 --> 00:43:55,559
relationship problem usually including

973
00:44:03,459 --> 00:43:58,739
physical or psychological abuse

974
00:44:07,609 --> 00:44:03,469
blame it on paranormal phenomena and

975
00:44:09,289 --> 00:44:07,619
when you have a group go in that has

976
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:09,299
never had to deal with any kind of

977
00:44:13,759 --> 00:44:12,089
psychology they go well yeah ghosts

978
00:44:15,499 --> 00:44:13,769
cause that sort of a thing or demons

979
00:44:17,809 --> 00:44:15,509
make people fight with each other and

980
00:44:21,380 --> 00:44:17,819
don't look towards the the actual

981
00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:21,390
psychological aspects of it we've had a

982
00:44:26,660 --> 00:44:23,700
few cases that we've had to get law

983
00:44:29,900 --> 00:44:26,670
enforcement involved because the the

984
00:44:31,849 --> 00:44:29,910
abuse was so bad and other paranormal

985
00:44:34,370 --> 00:44:31,859
groups had gone in and said you know

986
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,380
well it's not you it's the demon and

987
00:44:39,049 --> 00:44:36,960
when in fact it was just a big case of

988
00:44:42,289 --> 00:44:39,059
the devil will make me do it

989
00:44:45,769 --> 00:44:42,299
and they're just using that as an excuse

990
00:44:49,370 --> 00:44:45,779
in your assessment and we're going to

991
00:44:51,499 --> 00:44:49,380
right absolutely and I imagine this

992
00:44:56,059 --> 00:44:51,509
could also extend to cases where maybe

993
00:44:58,579 --> 00:44:56,069
people assume that this is the case

994
00:45:01,400 --> 00:44:58,589
there they're not necessarily abusing

995
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:01,410
anyone but maybe they might have some

996
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:03,690
kind of medical problem like maybe

997
00:45:08,090 --> 00:45:05,880
epilepsy or something like that

998
00:45:10,580 --> 00:45:08,100
well and that's actually a really good

999
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:10,590
example let me twist a bit of the story

1000
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:14,400
to explain what you just said there we

1001
00:45:20,590 --> 00:45:17,130
had a case and it's it's really a sad

1002
00:45:26,180 --> 00:45:20,600
case where there was a very young child

1003
00:45:28,310 --> 00:45:26,190
who because of its the way that it was

1004
00:45:31,610 --> 00:45:28,320
acting the things that the parents were

1005
00:45:35,090 --> 00:45:31,620
saying this child was doing we said this

1006
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:35,100
this kid has epilepsy there's they're

1007
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:38,130
showing all of the signs of it it get

1008
00:45:48,740 --> 00:45:43,140
get them to a doctor and a long long

1009
00:45:51,110 --> 00:45:48,750
long long story kind of cut short is we

1010
00:45:53,180 --> 00:45:51,120
ended up kind of walking away from this

1011
00:45:55,070 --> 00:45:53,190
case because there were a lot of major

1012
00:45:58,610 --> 00:45:55,080
psychological problems with the people

1013
00:46:01,760 --> 00:45:58,620
involved but years later it turns out

1014
00:46:04,070 --> 00:46:01,770
this young child not only did have

1015
00:46:07,490 --> 00:46:04,080
epilepsy but they never took it to the

1016
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:07,500
doctor eventually this child ended up I

1017
00:46:13,820 --> 00:46:11,010
would say bedridden but was living

1018
00:46:16,460 --> 00:46:13,830
between the parents bed in a cat litter

1019
00:46:19,940 --> 00:46:16,470
box and I'm pretty much vegetative state

1020
00:46:21,890 --> 00:46:19,950
because of untreated epilepsy and that's

1021
00:46:24,610 --> 00:46:21,900
one of the things as a lot of our cases

1022
00:46:27,470 --> 00:46:24,620
have ended up with things like this and

1023
00:46:29,060 --> 00:46:27,480
it's sad but at the same time it's

1024
00:46:31,130 --> 00:46:29,070
gotten to the point where somebody calls

1025
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:31,140
us it used to be I just don't want to

1026
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:32,760
deal with this because I know what's

1027
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:36,510
gonna happen and now it's a case of we

1028
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:38,490
need to deal with this because if

1029
00:46:44,570 --> 00:46:41,850
somebody else deals with it that doesn't

1030
00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:44,580
have the the critical thinking skills to

1031
00:46:49,940 --> 00:46:47,940
deal with it they're only going to you

1032
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:49,950
know encourage whatever it is that's

1033
00:46:56,210 --> 00:46:53,130
this family may be doing and make it

1034
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:56,220
worse you sound like actually a breath

1035
00:47:01,820 --> 00:46:59,280
of fresh air in the field as you were

1036
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:01,830
saying I think back at the beginning you

1037
00:47:07,010 --> 00:47:04,530
had the sudden revelation that maybe

1038
00:47:10,270 --> 00:47:07,020
some of this is real and you look into

1039
00:47:13,130 --> 00:47:10,280
the the television programming and

1040
00:47:15,470 --> 00:47:13,140
started to discover that there's these

1041
00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:15,480
people out there who have been watching

1042
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,460
a lot of television but that a lot of it

1043
00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:19,680
consists of say docu fiction

1044
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:23,250
or the like where's you know bits and

1045
00:47:30,430 --> 00:47:26,720
pieces and half-truths and and

1046
00:47:32,780 --> 00:47:30,440
emphasizing or over emphasizing things

1047
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:32,790
sensationalizing people's stories just

1048
00:47:38,780 --> 00:47:36,240
to make a buck I guess oh absolutely and

1049
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:38,790
you know kind of two parts to that one

1050
00:47:44,540 --> 00:47:40,710
of the cases that I use as an example of

1051
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:44,550
that is we went to a house that the

1052
00:47:48,980 --> 00:47:46,559
family was pretty much insistent that

1053
00:47:52,010 --> 00:47:48,990
there was something going on

1054
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:52,020
in the younger sons room and when we got

1055
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,650
there I said okay well we can talk about

1056
00:47:58,819 --> 00:47:57,359
this can we get the kids out of the room

1057
00:48:00,049 --> 00:47:58,829
because I don't want them any more

1058
00:48:02,450 --> 00:48:00,059
scared than they are and they're like oh

1059
00:48:05,089 --> 00:48:02,460
no no we talked about this sort of stuff

1060
00:48:09,020 --> 00:48:05,099
all the time like okay well your call

1061
00:48:12,109 --> 00:48:09,030
you're the parents so when we started

1062
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,119
talking about it I said so what do you

1063
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:13,920
think is going on in this child's room

1064
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:16,650
and the mother said so have you ever

1065
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:19,520
watched that TV show paranormal State I

1066
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,410
said well a couple of times it you know

1067
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,480
plays out as a comedy I can I can deal

1068
00:48:28,819 --> 00:48:27,119
with that and she said well the same

1069
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:28,829
demon that's following a lead

1070
00:48:39,140 --> 00:48:33,200
investigator around my child's room

1071
00:48:40,579 --> 00:48:39,150
deadpan serious and I said you know you

1072
00:48:43,490 --> 00:48:40,589
guys watch a lot of paranormal

1073
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:43,500
television don't you she says we watch

1074
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:45,210
it all the time every night we watch new

1075
00:48:51,289 --> 00:48:48,960
shows said okay do me a favor for a

1076
00:48:54,109 --> 00:48:51,299
couple of weeks maybe a month stop

1077
00:48:56,410 --> 00:48:54,119
watching them go outside get some air go

1078
00:49:00,740 --> 00:48:56,420
to a movie go hang with some friends

1079
00:49:04,420 --> 00:49:00,750
quit with the paranormal stuff and that

1080
00:49:07,339 --> 00:49:04,430
worked but they were so convinced and

1081
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:07,349
that's something that I've kind of seen

1082
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:11,839
happen across the board is everybody

1083
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:14,730
watches these paranormal shows and takes

1084
00:49:22,190 --> 00:49:17,849
them so seriously they consider them to

1085
00:49:26,510 --> 00:49:22,200
be training and one of the things I use

1086
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:26,520
as an example I've been on a handful of

1087
00:49:33,390 --> 00:49:31,680
the paranormal TV shows and docudrama

1088
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:33,400
docu so

1089
00:49:39,650 --> 00:49:35,920
these are all great explanations for

1090
00:49:42,930 --> 00:49:39,660
them there may be a handful of something

1091
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:42,940
possible reality in the background but

1092
00:49:51,540 --> 00:49:46,960
by the time you see it it's it's

1093
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:51,550
entertainment so is there any of it that

1094
00:49:59,130 --> 00:49:54,160
has actually something going for it well

1095
00:50:01,500 --> 00:49:59,140
it's easy it sounds like so your your

1096
00:50:03,140 --> 00:50:01,510
view is that none of this really exists

1097
00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:03,150
other than as a phenomena that is

1098
00:50:11,820 --> 00:50:09,550
misinterpreted or made-up so these do

1099
00:50:14,910 --> 00:50:11,830
you actually believe yourself that there

1100
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:14,920
is some genuine phenomena that is

1101
00:50:20,849 --> 00:50:17,920
unexplainable and does exist and affects

1102
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:20,859
people's lives I'll give you a strange

1103
00:50:27,900 --> 00:50:24,160
answer answer here when going in to

1104
00:50:31,740 --> 00:50:27,910
investigate any kind of a claim we're

1105
00:50:35,550 --> 00:50:31,750
given the luxury of believing or not

1106
00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:35,560
believing you have to stay neutral now

1107
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:39,730
on a personal level I'm on the fence

1108
00:50:46,829 --> 00:50:44,170
I've had so many bizarre experiences

1109
00:50:50,190 --> 00:50:46,839
that I haven't been able to come up with

1110
00:50:53,420 --> 00:50:50,200
a rational explanation for yet there's a

1111
00:50:55,740 --> 00:50:53,430
possibility I will and at the same time

1112
00:50:58,920 --> 00:50:55,750
you've got a lot of people out there

1113
00:51:00,540 --> 00:50:58,930
making reports like this you know you

1114
00:51:03,420 --> 00:51:00,550
have to cut through them one at a time

1115
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:03,430
to see because even if one of them

1116
00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:06,210
turned out to be real how cool is that

1117
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we've got Brian we've got gene we've got

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1166
00:53:45,089 --> 00:53:40,920
welcome back to to the para cast the

1167
00:53:54,089 --> 00:53:45,099
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1168
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:54,099
now here's Jane Steinberg Bryan not to

1169
00:53:57,660 --> 00:53:55,089
interrupt you but I will

1170
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:57,670
you mentioned personal experiences there

1171
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:00,400
can you detail some of the things that

1172
00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:01,450
might have happened to you that

1173
00:54:07,049 --> 00:54:04,329
impressed you enough to think something

1174
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:07,059
weird was going on well I think one of

1175
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:10,089
my favorites we were at a private

1176
00:54:16,170 --> 00:54:12,450
residence that had all sorts of

1177
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:16,180
interesting claims one of the things

1178
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:18,130
that we do when we set up and I really

1179
00:54:25,049 --> 00:54:21,359
was wish more people would do it is

1180
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:25,059
going into the home what we normally do

1181
00:54:31,289 --> 00:54:28,240
is say okay where did this activity take

1182
00:54:35,130 --> 00:54:31,299
place and we'll set up equipment around

1183
00:54:38,700 --> 00:54:35,140
the area to monitor it and then us as

1184
00:54:40,740 --> 00:54:38,710
the team back away from it and just let

1185
00:54:43,529 --> 00:54:40,750
the family go along their normal daily

1186
00:54:46,019 --> 00:54:43,539
lives like they were keeping everything

1187
00:54:47,819 --> 00:54:46,029
exactly like it was so if for some

1188
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:47,829
reason it was something misinterpreted

1189
00:54:53,870 --> 00:54:49,599
we can find it or if it's something that

1190
00:54:57,029 --> 00:54:53,880
caused something we can find it and

1191
00:54:58,289 --> 00:54:57,039
going into people's homes and saying

1192
00:55:00,569 --> 00:54:58,299
okay well we're gonna kick you out for

1193
00:55:03,749 --> 00:55:00,579
the night in getting everything set up

1194
00:55:05,819 --> 00:55:03,759
and turning out the lights it makes no

1195
00:55:08,999 --> 00:55:05,829
sense to me one of the questions I

1196
00:55:11,930 --> 00:55:09,009
always ask is we've all had not all a

1197
00:55:15,269 --> 00:55:11,940
personal experience say of a ghostly

1198
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:15,279
type phenomena how many of us had that

1199
00:55:19,740 --> 00:55:16,569
happen while we were sitting in a

1200
00:55:23,370 --> 00:55:19,750
completely pitch dark room you didn't

1201
00:55:26,329 --> 00:55:23,380
because you couldn't see anything so in

1202
00:55:29,309 --> 00:55:26,339
keeping things as normal as possible

1203
00:55:32,940 --> 00:55:29,319
we're trying to recreate that that

1204
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:32,950
entire experience now we had this one

1205
00:55:38,099 --> 00:55:35,650
house like I say everybody was having

1206
00:55:40,799 --> 00:55:38,109
all sorts of experiences and for some

1207
00:55:43,290 --> 00:55:40,809
reason there were multiple generations

1208
00:55:47,220 --> 00:55:43,300
living in this house we had

1209
00:55:50,910 --> 00:55:47,230
a mother two daughters a granddaughter

1210
00:55:52,410 --> 00:55:50,920
and a father who was pretty much out of

1211
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:52,420
the picture he was working all the time

1212
00:55:57,300 --> 00:55:55,330
and there was one room that was

1213
00:55:59,280 --> 00:55:57,310
absolutely what they considered to be

1214
00:56:01,470 --> 00:55:59,290
the most haunted room in the place and

1215
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:01,480
it was a bedroom so of course that's

1216
00:56:09,060 --> 00:56:04,240
where they all decided to sleep why I

1217
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:09,070
have no idea but we set up and we'd been

1218
00:56:12,780 --> 00:56:10,690
watching all night and realized that

1219
00:56:15,930 --> 00:56:12,790
these guys were sitting with us and at

1220
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:15,940
one point that I said how about you go

1221
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:17,770
in and go to bed it's that time of night

1222
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:21,280
we're gonna be out here let me know if

1223
00:56:27,180 --> 00:56:25,330
anything happens and they kind of

1224
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:27,190
haggled about it for a while and decided

1225
00:56:33,420 --> 00:56:29,760
that they were gonna go sleep in shifts

1226
00:56:36,090 --> 00:56:33,430
so a couple of them went in and slapped

1227
00:56:39,540 --> 00:56:36,100
an hour later they came out in the next

1228
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:39,550
group went in and they came out and then

1229
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:41,530
two of them said well we'll go in and

1230
00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:43,450
sleep and they looked over at me and

1231
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:47,950
said but only if you come in with us to

1232
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:49,810
which I said I you know if a big green

1233
00:56:55,620 --> 00:56:52,450
thing jumps out of the closet I'm

1234
00:56:56,100 --> 00:56:55,630
jumping with you but we can talk about

1235
00:57:00,030 --> 00:56:56,110
it

1236
00:57:02,190 --> 00:57:00,040
so I went in and this is one of the few

1237
00:57:04,260 --> 00:57:02,200
times that we did actually turn off all

1238
00:57:08,130 --> 00:57:04,270
the lights because well they sleep in

1239
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:08,140
the dark and it had probably been a half

1240
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:11,050
hour or so and the two in the bed were

1241
00:57:16,020 --> 00:57:13,510
just snoring up a storm I was sitting at

1242
00:57:17,550 --> 00:57:16,030
the foot of the bed and we had an

1243
00:57:20,790 --> 00:57:17,560
infrared camera in there so we could

1244
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,800
watch in the dark and all of a sudden it

1245
00:57:24,630 --> 00:57:22,480
felt like something was slapping my face

1246
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:24,640
not hard just kind of an

1247
00:57:30,030 --> 00:57:27,850
attention-getting slap but on the video

1248
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:30,040
there's nothing except me looking like a

1249
00:57:33,150 --> 00:57:31,570
complete [\h__\h] trying to figure out

1250
00:57:36,420 --> 00:57:33,160
what's laughing at me in the dark

1251
00:57:38,370 --> 00:57:36,430
and to this day I've tried to come up

1252
00:57:42,290 --> 00:57:38,380
with some reasonable explanations for it

1253
00:57:45,630 --> 00:57:42,300
but I I haven't nailed anything yet

1254
00:57:49,110 --> 00:57:45,640
interesting what sort of paranormal

1255
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:49,120
detection equipment do you use well and

1256
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:51,010
I think that that's a loaded question

1257
00:57:56,849 --> 00:57:54,850
right there if somebody says that

1258
00:57:59,279 --> 00:57:56,859
they're using a device that was does

1259
00:58:03,029 --> 00:57:59,289
to find ghosts I kind of question it

1260
00:58:06,059 --> 00:58:03,039
because we don't really know what a

1261
00:58:08,130 --> 00:58:06,069
ghost is per se so how can I build

1262
00:58:11,519 --> 00:58:08,140
something that's gonna find it you're

1263
00:58:13,259 --> 00:58:11,529
kind of building a device that detects

1264
00:58:16,499 --> 00:58:13,269
something that you don't know what it is

1265
00:58:17,269 --> 00:58:16,509
which on a scientific standpoint doesn't

1266
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:17,279
make sense

1267
00:58:25,979 --> 00:58:23,200
so what we tend to say is we use

1268
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:25,989
equipment to document the location in

1269
00:58:34,229 --> 00:58:30,640
all possible weights which does default

1270
00:58:37,049 --> 00:58:34,239
to a lot of very typical what you would

1271
00:58:41,279 --> 00:58:37,059
call ghost hunting equipment standard

1272
00:58:45,660 --> 00:58:41,289
cameras lots of video cameras audio

1273
00:58:48,660 --> 00:58:45,670
recording the temperature maybe not for

1274
00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:48,670
the same reason as others like I say a

1275
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:50,710
lot of audio one of the other things

1276
00:58:56,819 --> 00:58:55,119
that we've kind of we kind of started it

1277
00:58:59,249 --> 00:58:56,829
and it's being used differently nowadays

1278
00:59:02,779 --> 00:58:59,259
but we really were looking into

1279
00:59:05,370 --> 00:59:02,789
seismometers as well to monitor for

1280
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:05,380
extremely low vibrations because they

1281
00:59:13,140 --> 00:59:08,559
can have some really bizarre effects on

1282
00:59:15,930 --> 00:59:13,150
human physiology but basically anything

1283
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:15,940
we can do to monitor the the full

1284
00:59:22,349 --> 00:59:20,650
spectrum of anything recordable to see

1285
00:59:24,809 --> 00:59:22,359
if we can record something if it is

1286
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:24,819
happening while we're there so in other

1287
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:27,359
words you're talking about real

1288
00:59:32,220 --> 00:59:30,640
scientific instrumentation as opposed to

1289
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:32,230
what you were talking about before like

1290
00:59:38,220 --> 00:59:35,440
cell phone gadgets or say something like

1291
00:59:39,420 --> 00:59:38,230
I remember we have one guest on and they

1292
00:59:42,839 --> 00:59:39,430
were talking about something called a

1293
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:42,849
REM pod and so I looked that up I'm not

1294
00:59:47,009 --> 00:59:44,650
sure if you know what I'm talking about

1295
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:47,019
but it's a little electronic device that

1296
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:50,410
is supposed to give you an indication of

1297
00:59:57,720 --> 00:59:52,930
whether or not some sort of a ghost or

1298
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:57,730
paranormal force is in a particular area

1299
01:00:02,039 --> 01:00:00,640
where you set the thing and I remember

1300
01:00:04,739 --> 01:00:02,049
looking at it and thinking about the

1301
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:04,749
case and then looking at a picture of it

1302
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:07,089
and then going to the company site and

1303
01:00:10,740 --> 01:00:09,130
noticing that it had a recall and a

1304
01:00:13,530 --> 01:00:10,750
whole bunch of them

1305
01:00:15,330 --> 01:00:13,540
for giving out false readings well and

1306
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:15,340
how could you know it was giving off a

1307
01:00:19,620 --> 01:00:16,930
false reading is my question

1308
01:00:21,660 --> 01:00:19,630
uh well because the company that built

1309
01:00:23,490 --> 01:00:21,670
it has certain testing procedures and

1310
01:00:25,230 --> 01:00:23,500
there was a faulty chip in it or

1311
01:00:26,849 --> 01:00:25,240
something oh I was gonna say is there

1312
01:00:31,650 --> 01:00:26,859
testing procedure they bring a ghost in

1313
01:00:33,810 --> 01:00:31,660
to see if it's no work yeah all right

1314
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:33,820
exactly I know exactly the piece of

1315
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:35,440
equipment and I'm using my air quotes

1316
01:00:40,620 --> 01:00:37,570
there that you're talking about because

1317
01:00:42,780 --> 01:00:40,630
I have one sitting behind me we don't

1318
01:00:45,420 --> 01:00:42,790
use it it was actually a prop from the

1319
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:45,430
poltergeist remake I acquired a ton of

1320
01:00:49,170 --> 01:00:47,770
stuff from it and they used them in the

1321
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:49,180
movie so that's one of the things that

1322
01:00:58,260 --> 01:00:53,050
really helped promote it the thing is we

1323
01:01:03,660 --> 01:00:58,270
use lots of equipment that has

1324
01:01:06,420 --> 01:01:03,670
real-world use and part of what we

1325
01:01:09,180 --> 01:01:06,430
require if you're going to be using any

1326
01:01:12,270 --> 01:01:09,190
tool regardless of what it is is to get

1327
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:12,280
trained in how to use it and not for

1328
01:01:17,460 --> 01:01:13,930
ghost hunting for what it was actually

1329
01:01:21,630 --> 01:01:17,470
designed for so when you do get some

1330
01:01:23,970 --> 01:01:21,640
sort of an unknown result you might be

1331
01:01:26,190 --> 01:01:23,980
able to relate a little bit better to it

1332
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:26,200
if you know how the device works in the

1333
01:01:31,020 --> 01:01:29,530
first place right you say in your

1334
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:31,030
experience that you're a certified

1335
01:01:35,870 --> 01:01:33,609
thermal camera operator how does one go

1336
01:01:39,420 --> 01:01:35,880
about getting certification for that

1337
01:01:41,970 --> 01:01:39,430
there are a lot of independent places to

1338
01:01:44,910 --> 01:01:41,980
do it and several of the manufacturers

1339
01:01:46,829 --> 01:01:44,920
offer the training - well I'll kind of

1340
01:01:48,420 --> 01:01:46,839
give you a thermal cameras are one of my

1341
01:01:51,180 --> 01:01:48,430
favorites because they're actually

1342
01:01:53,250 --> 01:01:51,190
coming down a lot right now you can get

1343
01:01:56,700 --> 01:01:53,260
an adapter for your iPhone at this point

1344
01:02:01,530 --> 01:01:56,710
from them but you really need to be able

1345
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:01,540
to interpret the photographs these are

1346
01:02:07,770 --> 01:02:05,050
used to take temperatures of things that

1347
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are either hard to get to in

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environments that you wouldn't want to

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put people into or for example taking

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the temperature of the manifold of your

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it you know there's just lots of reasons

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for these now they don't put

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a true photograph generally they put off

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this heat signature and it's to the

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point where the manufacture a couple of

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the manufacturers have a contest once a

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month that a user will send in two

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photograph and one will be a regular

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photograph and the contest is what did I

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take a picture of and these are things

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that are these are people that use these

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and they can't interpret a standard

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items and photographs but somebody that

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hasn't had training in it seems to think

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they can interpret what a ghost looks

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like you know what let's stop it there

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like to hear from you if you have a

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comment or question about the para cast

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sent it to news at the para cast com

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that's news at the para cast calm and

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don't forget to visit our famous para

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cast community forums at forum dot the

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podcast.com serrano is echo free do we

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vote for an echo free Randall or not

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send it to news at the power cast icon

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that's ridiculous

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I might put up a threat Randall pipe a

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threat in the forum do we want an echo

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free Randall or not okay would you

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rather have him sound like Alvin of the

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Chipmunks I can do that too

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am I allowed to vote no okay Brian

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before we get back to you want to remind

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everybody that there are people on

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YouTube who say why does the power Cass

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have so many commercials and the reason

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is this is a commercial radio show on a

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real radio network and we do offer a

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version of the show free of network

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dad's on the power cast Plus for more

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information go to plus stop the parent

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cast com once again that's plus dot the

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forty-nine but if you go for five years

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or a lifetime you got free stuff Brian

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go ahead please well as I was saying

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with the the thermal imaging people that

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use these in the regular nine-to-five

1511
01:09:02,030 --> 01:08:59,580
jobs can't really interpret what a

1512
01:09:04,610 --> 01:09:02,040
picture is of unless they've taken the

1513
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:04,620
photograph so it's hard to have somebody

1514
01:09:09,289 --> 01:09:06,480
that has no training to take a

1515
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:09,299
photograph and expect to identify

1516
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:10,799
something that we're not quite too sure

1517
01:09:18,410 --> 01:09:13,440
what it is in the first place a really

1518
01:09:21,890 --> 01:09:18,420
good example of this back in 2002 I'm

1519
01:09:25,970 --> 01:09:21,900
gonna say the Ghost Hunters TV show I

1520
01:09:30,380 --> 01:09:25,980
was I'll say fortunate enough to be on

1521
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an episode and one of the things that we

1522
01:09:33,309 --> 01:09:31,890
were doing was playing with the thermal

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camera we were

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this kind of while closed down for the

1525
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season Mountain Lodge and there was a

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big dining room and as we were sweeping

1527
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across the room just kind of looking

1528
01:09:50,019 --> 01:09:48,469
with the camera we noticed by one of the

1529
01:09:51,819 --> 01:09:50,029
doors it looked to be that there was the

1530
01:09:55,330 --> 01:09:51,829
figure of a person standing there just

1531
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:55,340
slightly different temperature the rest

1532
01:10:00,399 --> 01:09:58,239
of the room so you know they're

1533
01:10:01,990 --> 01:10:00,409
terrified trying to figure out what it

1534
01:10:04,089 --> 01:10:02,000
was and I said let's go walk up and

1535
01:10:07,060 --> 01:10:04,099
figure out what it you know is there a

1536
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:07,070
ghost standing there well the closer we

1537
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:09,770
got the more we realized that it was an

1538
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:12,770
end table a shelf with some stuff on it

1539
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:15,760
and a lamp above it that formed the real

1540
01:10:22,180 --> 01:10:20,090
basic crude silhouette of a person but

1541
01:10:23,620 --> 01:10:22,190
because it was out from the wall it was

1542
01:10:26,740 --> 01:10:23,630
a different temperature than the wall

1543
01:10:28,180 --> 01:10:26,750
you know had somebody not gone forward

1544
01:10:30,430 --> 01:10:28,190
and looked to figure out what it was and

1545
01:10:33,580 --> 01:10:30,440
just kept walking that could have easily

1546
01:10:34,899 --> 01:10:33,590
been interpreted just as the shadow of a

1547
01:10:37,330 --> 01:10:34,909
person or the spirit of a person

1548
01:10:39,010 --> 01:10:37,340
standing there and what did the show do

1549
01:10:41,859 --> 01:10:39,020
with that did they take that and use

1550
01:10:42,970 --> 01:10:41,869
that as an example of something that or

1551
01:10:46,089 --> 01:10:42,980
did they use it at all

1552
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:46,099
they very briefly did it in

1553
01:10:50,740 --> 01:10:49,010
strangely enough space and re-enacted me

1554
01:10:53,050 --> 01:10:50,750
in that portion of it and discovered

1555
01:10:56,109 --> 01:10:53,060
what was causing it it's television

1556
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:56,119
that's what happens so when you're

1557
01:11:02,500 --> 01:10:58,400
talking about the thermal cameras that

1558
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:02,510
would be infrared I'm assuming actually

1559
01:11:07,959 --> 01:11:05,810
kind of you've got infrared cameras like

1560
01:11:14,490 --> 01:11:07,969
you'd have your surveillance camera type

1561
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:14,500
stuff which it basically sees very

1562
01:11:21,550 --> 01:11:17,840
slightly into the infrared and uses an

1563
01:11:24,069 --> 01:11:21,560
infrared usually led to illuminate the

1564
01:11:25,959 --> 01:11:24,079
area so when you've got your infrared

1565
01:11:27,399 --> 01:11:25,969
cameras all over the place thinking that

1566
01:11:29,109 --> 01:11:27,409
you're seeing in the dark you're not

1567
01:11:31,950 --> 01:11:29,119
you're just illuminating it with a light

1568
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:31,960
that your eye can't see the camera can

1569
01:11:37,990 --> 01:11:35,449
now the thermal cameras actually record

1570
01:11:40,180 --> 01:11:38,000
differences in and this is a really

1571
01:11:44,010 --> 01:11:40,190
important part when you're using thermal

1572
01:11:47,050 --> 01:11:44,020
cameras they monitor or display

1573
01:11:50,610 --> 01:11:47,060
differences in surface temperature

1574
01:11:55,900 --> 01:11:50,620
they have no ability whatsoever to

1575
01:11:59,980 --> 01:11:55,910
record the temperature change inside of

1576
01:12:03,310 --> 01:11:59,990
a room the wall the floor the windows

1577
01:12:07,780 --> 01:12:03,320
yes and we've tested them to the point

1578
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:07,790
of actually raising the temperature up

1579
01:12:13,090 --> 01:12:10,610
to about 250 degrees dropping it down to

1580
01:12:15,300 --> 01:12:13,100
about minus 10 putting in smoke steam

1581
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:15,310
mist everything we could think of and

1582
01:12:19,930 --> 01:12:17,930
thankfully because of what these cameras

1583
01:12:23,260 --> 01:12:19,940
are designed to do they measured the

1584
01:12:25,090 --> 01:12:23,270
wall so when somebody says that they see

1585
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:25,100
something wandering through the room

1586
01:12:32,230 --> 01:12:28,570
with one of these it is even by the

1587
01:12:34,990 --> 01:12:32,240
manufacturers admission not something

1588
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:35,000
that's being interpreted properly okay

1589
01:12:39,310 --> 01:12:37,040
to clarify a little bit there when

1590
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:39,320
you're saying that when the camera picks

1591
01:12:45,330 --> 01:12:42,800
up something going through the room it

1592
01:12:47,710 --> 01:12:45,340
sounds to me like that should be

1593
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:47,720
something that you would think really is

1594
01:12:51,940 --> 01:12:49,520
there because the camera isn't picking

1595
01:12:53,710 --> 01:12:51,950
up just the ambient temperature of the

1596
01:12:56,050 --> 01:12:53,720
air in the room but is actually picking

1597
01:12:58,510 --> 01:12:56,060
up a thermal signature from something

1598
01:13:02,620 --> 01:12:58,520
that that would be there well the only

1599
01:13:04,780 --> 01:13:02,630
thing these cameras or even the thermal

1600
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:04,790
of their mom or the you know like

1601
01:13:08,890 --> 01:13:07,280
infrared thermometers the only thing

1602
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:08,900
that they can do is read relative

1603
01:13:16,500 --> 01:13:11,330
surface temperatures so there has to be

1604
01:13:22,690 --> 01:13:16,510
a relatively hard and/or reflective

1605
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:22,700
surface to read that temperature a good

1606
01:13:26,710 --> 01:13:25,280
example I don't remember it may have

1607
01:13:29,710 --> 01:13:26,720
been on Ghost Hunters they had an

1608
01:13:32,980 --> 01:13:29,720
episode that they were going through I

1609
01:13:35,740 --> 01:13:32,990
believe it was a locker room and they

1610
01:13:37,300 --> 01:13:35,750
thought they saw a ghost standing in

1611
01:13:39,730 --> 01:13:37,310
front of one of the lockers and that's

1612
01:13:42,010 --> 01:13:39,740
kind of how it played out but if you

1613
01:13:44,830 --> 01:13:42,020
know how the camera works what they were

1614
01:13:48,550 --> 01:13:44,840
actually seeing was a reflection of the

1615
01:13:52,710 --> 01:13:48,560
camera operator bouncing off of that

1616
01:13:55,870 --> 01:13:52,720
mostly reflective surface of the locker

1617
01:14:00,430 --> 01:13:55,880
and think about it this way if these

1618
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:00,440
devices are used to check for extremely

1619
01:14:03,060 --> 01:14:01,090
hot or

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dreamlike old things that you really

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aren't supposed to touch because you're

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gonna hurt yourself so you use one of

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these before you grab hold of the

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manifold or you grab hold of the

1625
01:14:21,359 --> 01:14:16,869
whatever it may be if something in the

1626
01:14:24,660 --> 01:14:21,369
air could be affecting it that didn't

1627
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:24,670
have a hard surface and we have the

1628
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:26,800
amount of ghosts that people claim we do

1629
01:14:31,140 --> 01:14:28,210
there'd be a lot of people out there

1630
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:31,150
hurting themselves and there'd be a lot

1631
01:14:38,010 --> 01:14:34,239
of professionals out there in law

1632
01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:38,020
enforcement the military first

1633
01:14:44,129 --> 01:14:40,560
responders of a lot of different types

1634
01:14:46,530 --> 01:14:44,139
heating air conditioning type workers

1635
01:14:48,359 --> 01:14:46,540
they should be reporting seeing a lot of

1636
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:48,369
ghosts wandering around in their daily

1637
01:14:55,830 --> 01:14:52,330
jobs and we don't see that okay that's

1638
01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:55,840
really interesting just to to further

1639
01:15:01,859 --> 01:14:58,210
clarify then so if I were to give a

1640
01:15:04,770 --> 01:15:01,869
hypothetical example suppose you had a

1641
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:04,780
person that was wearing some sort of

1642
01:15:10,589 --> 01:15:07,449
active camouflage that worked well

1643
01:15:13,050 --> 01:15:10,599
enough that you couldn't see them in the

1644
01:15:17,939 --> 01:15:13,060
visible light spectrum would this still

1645
01:15:21,689 --> 01:15:17,949
pick them up on this camera depending on

1646
01:15:23,700 --> 01:15:21,699
what theoretical camouflage you're

1647
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talking about such as the things that

1648
01:15:29,580 --> 01:15:26,409
are doing like they're discussing

1649
01:15:31,820 --> 01:15:29,590
optical you know transferring from one

1650
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:31,830
side to the other to appear transparent

1651
01:15:37,740 --> 01:15:33,489
absolutely because it would have a

1652
01:15:41,129 --> 01:15:37,750
surface so well you able to see the

1653
01:15:43,979 --> 01:15:41,139
person visually you'd be able to see

1654
01:15:45,540 --> 01:15:43,989
them thermally but at the same time

1655
01:15:48,810 --> 01:15:45,550
you'd be able to go over and tap them on

1656
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:48,820
the shoulder because there would be a

1657
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:53,199
physical something in the room and you

1658
01:15:59,669 --> 01:15:56,130
know then we're going to the possibility

1659
01:16:02,760 --> 01:15:59,679
you know the predator is a wonderful

1660
01:16:05,189 --> 01:16:02,770
explanation of that by the way the next

1661
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thing you hear will not be caused by a

1662
01:16:11,339 --> 01:16:08,619
predator ah okay well we've got Brian

1663
01:16:16,150 --> 01:16:11,349
and gene and Randall you're in the

1664
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much stalled over the Carolinas

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meteorologist John quadri arrow says

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some places could be swamped by up to 40

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inches for us by no means is risk for

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of flooding officials say they don't

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want anyone out in the streets when they

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with no power there's no streetlights

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at least a dozen people have been killed

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president Trump has approved making

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federal funding available in some

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counties he plans a visit to the region

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next week and governor Roy Cooper says a

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little more than 20-thousand people are

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staying at 150 shelters you're listening

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flip flop all night long I would wake up

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with a sore neck maybe a headache or

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feel like I needed a nap even though I

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slept eight hours when I invented my

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bed it's about how much of that quality

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[Music]

1765
01:20:40,399 --> 01:20:37,559
hi this is nuclear physicist lecturer

1766
01:20:44,089 --> 01:20:40,409
Stanton Friedman you are listening to

1767
01:20:52,370 --> 01:20:44,099
the barricades to the gold standard a

1768
01:20:55,069 --> 01:20:52,380
paranormal radio we've got Randall we've

1769
01:20:59,689 --> 01:20:55,079
got Jean and our special guest this week

1770
01:21:03,020 --> 01:20:59,699
is a level-headed guy Brian Bonner who

1771
01:21:06,250 --> 01:21:03,030
explores the unknown part of the Rocky

1772
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:06,260
Mountain Paranormal Research Society

1773
01:21:11,060 --> 01:21:08,730
Brian before we go on tell us about the

1774
01:21:12,859 --> 01:21:11,070
society is this something that's just a

1775
01:21:16,250 --> 01:21:12,869
private group or do you actually take

1776
01:21:20,089 --> 01:21:16,260
members a little of both

1777
01:21:23,810 --> 01:21:20,099
it's an odd group that we only bring in

1778
01:21:27,500 --> 01:21:23,820
people that we need for the specific

1779
01:21:30,379 --> 01:21:27,510
investigation because we've got a large

1780
01:21:33,799 --> 01:21:30,389
group of people with different skill

1781
01:21:36,589 --> 01:21:33,809
sets for example if we need somebody

1782
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:36,599
that's a medical doctor well we've got

1783
01:21:42,020 --> 01:21:38,489
somebody we can call if we need somebody

1784
01:21:44,029 --> 01:21:42,030
that's a geologist we've got somebody we

1785
01:21:46,270 --> 01:21:44,039
can call a physicist we've got somebody

1786
01:21:48,260 --> 01:21:46,280
we can call so if it's some sort of a a

1787
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:48,270
profession that we think we might be

1788
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:52,170
able to apply that's how the group grows

1789
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:54,570
and depending on the investigation the

1790
01:22:00,109 --> 01:21:57,690
the core members can change we're always

1791
01:22:02,839 --> 01:22:00,119
looking for you know the the right new

1792
01:22:05,959 --> 01:22:02,849
people - so you guys are based in

1793
01:22:08,750 --> 01:22:05,969
Colorado right exactly we're in the

1794
01:22:10,580 --> 01:22:08,760
Denver metro area okay and that's where

1795
01:22:13,399 --> 01:22:10,590
most of your investigations take place

1796
01:22:18,500 --> 01:22:13,409
oh that's as far as the wallet usually

1797
01:22:21,109 --> 01:22:18,510
lets us go you say in your experience on

1798
01:22:24,500 --> 01:22:21,119
your bio again that that you've got

1799
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:24,510
experience in historical research can

1800
01:22:29,660 --> 01:22:26,010
you give us an example of how your

1801
01:22:31,629 --> 01:22:29,670
historical research has helped in any of

1802
01:22:34,250 --> 01:22:31,639
your paranormal investigations

1803
01:22:37,970 --> 01:22:34,260
well historic research I think is a

1804
01:22:40,700 --> 01:22:37,980
really important piece that a lot of

1805
01:22:43,490 --> 01:22:40,710
people are missing and I'll give you one

1806
01:22:46,330 --> 01:22:43,500
of my favorite examples of that there

1807
01:22:48,460 --> 01:22:46,340
was a location that we went to for about

1808
01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:48,470
15 years

1809
01:22:57,670 --> 01:22:52,490
and now we had kind of free run of this

1810
01:23:01,750 --> 01:22:57,680
reportedly haunted inn and the main

1811
01:23:04,780 --> 01:23:01,760
story was there was the ghost of the

1812
01:23:06,730 --> 01:23:04,790
original owner's son who had died of

1813
01:23:10,300 --> 01:23:06,740
some sort of a lung condition who now

1814
01:23:12,490 --> 01:23:10,310
haunts the third floor of the inn and

1815
01:23:13,780 --> 01:23:12,500
runs back and forth in place with a ball

1816
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:13,790
and all of the things that you'd expect

1817
01:23:22,300 --> 01:23:18,410
to hear out of every haunted hotel so

1818
01:23:25,390 --> 01:23:22,310
the thing is before we say okay let's go

1819
01:23:27,100 --> 01:23:25,400
find the ghost of the little boy let's

1820
01:23:29,980 --> 01:23:27,110
see if the little boy existed in the

1821
01:23:33,910 --> 01:23:29,990
first place you know was there ever a

1822
01:23:35,620 --> 01:23:33,920
child that the original owners had there

1823
01:23:37,740 --> 01:23:35,630
did they have a son did they have a

1824
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:37,750
daughter or did they even have kids

1825
01:23:43,300 --> 01:23:41,450
it took about I'm gonna say three years

1826
01:23:46,990 --> 01:23:43,310
of going through microfilm

1827
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:47,000
in a little mountain town library but we

1828
01:23:52,990 --> 01:23:50,690
finally found a 1922 obit for the

1829
01:23:54,780 --> 01:23:53,000
original owner's son who had died at the

1830
01:23:58,690 --> 01:23:54,790
location of pneumonia

1831
01:24:01,750 --> 01:23:58,700
now that doesn't prove it's a ghost but

1832
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:01,760
that's a really you know a huge piece

1833
01:24:06,580 --> 01:24:04,370
and pointing towards at least where the

1834
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:06,590
stories came from and if it is a ghost

1835
01:24:11,020 --> 01:24:08,690
hey at least you know now we've got some

1836
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:11,030
sort of a story behind it very

1837
01:24:17,290 --> 01:24:13,970
interesting you say that sometimes you

1838
01:24:20,290 --> 01:24:17,300
employ or seek out the help of other

1839
01:24:24,580 --> 01:24:20,300
professional scientists such as perhaps

1840
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:24,590
geologists how would a geologist help

1841
01:24:30,370 --> 01:24:27,920
you in paranormal research you'd be

1842
01:24:36,580 --> 01:24:30,380
amazed at the strange fields we bring

1843
01:24:38,740 --> 01:24:36,590
into this I'll give you two examples the

1844
01:24:41,470 --> 01:24:38,750
the one that comes to mind to start with

1845
01:24:44,610 --> 01:24:41,480
is are you familiar with a place called

1846
01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:44,620
Cheesman Park not me

1847
01:24:51,970 --> 01:24:48,320
well Cheesman Park is a place that two

1848
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:51,980
movies were actually based off of the

1849
01:25:00,010 --> 01:24:55,730
changeling with George C Scott and the

1850
01:25:02,169 --> 01:25:00,020
original poltergeist and the really

1851
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:02,179
short version of it is it was Denver

1852
01:25:09,310 --> 01:25:04,610
original cemetery and because of

1853
01:25:12,089 --> 01:25:09,320
political and other problems it was shut

1854
01:25:16,330 --> 01:25:12,099
down and they moved to a new location

1855
01:25:18,879 --> 01:25:16,340
but in a lot of the cases in roughly two

1856
01:25:20,979 --> 01:25:18,889
to five thousand of the cases they

1857
01:25:24,189 --> 01:25:20,989
didn't move the bodies they just put in

1858
01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:24,199
a part ah yes I remember that from

1859
01:25:30,100 --> 01:25:27,920
poltergeist exactly well that's one of

1860
01:25:34,060 --> 01:25:30,110
the two locations that the story came

1861
01:25:37,709 --> 01:25:34,070
from well the thing is in investigating

1862
01:25:41,109 --> 01:25:37,719
it we found that a lot of the original

1863
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:41,119
caskets seem to be popping up in

1864
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:42,880
locations that weren't originally

1865
01:25:51,429 --> 01:25:47,530
cemetery or they find them and they were

1866
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:51,439
vertical instead of horizontal or at the

1867
01:25:54,069 --> 01:25:52,489
wrong depth

1868
01:25:57,939 --> 01:25:54,079
they're just all sorts of things that

1869
01:26:00,699 --> 01:25:57,949
didn't make sense so I called up one of

1870
01:26:02,529 --> 01:26:00,709
our geologists and I said we've got to

1871
01:26:03,969 --> 01:26:02,539
figure this out can you help and they

1872
01:26:07,060 --> 01:26:03,979
said okay where is it did a little

1873
01:26:08,259 --> 01:26:07,070
research and it turns out and if you

1874
01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:08,269
know anybody that lives in Colorado

1875
01:26:15,219 --> 01:26:10,880
they'll know this wonderful type of clay

1876
01:26:17,379 --> 01:26:15,229
called bentonite when it gets wet it

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kind of turns into a river underground

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and a large portion of what was the

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cemetery in the surrounding area are

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made out of this specific clay so what

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has happened is every time it rains it

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lets these caskets shift around to the

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point that they've actually had body

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parts popping up two to three blocks

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outside of the original cemetery

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boundaries and that's out the help of a

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geologist that could tell me a

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legitimate reason for it what kind of an

1889
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:52,159
explanation could you come up with other

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than they're moving around down there so

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01:27:01,929 --> 01:26:58,179
it's it's a way to to apply some some

1892
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common sense to it another one in it's

1893
01:27:08,469 --> 01:27:06,229
one of our probably biggest cases let's

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see who's not familiar with the Stanley

1895
01:27:14,049 --> 01:27:11,719
Hotel that's what I thought I'd hear

1896
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:14,059
yeah right do tell I'm we're more UFO

1897
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oriented here so

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this is really interesting you're the

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expert if you go to our website not to

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promote the website or anything but in

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the investigations section there's a

1902
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whole bunch about Stanley Hotel you'd

1903
01:27:33,169 --> 01:27:29,510
probably find quite interesting however

1904
01:27:36,339 --> 01:27:33,179
we got involved in a documentary that

1905
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was supposed to be about the ghosts and

1906
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they said you know we need a local

1907
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paranormal research team would you guys

1908
01:27:45,020 --> 01:27:41,550
come in and we said well sure that's a

1909
01:27:47,410 --> 01:27:45,030
great location we'll help and mid

1910
01:27:50,419 --> 01:27:47,420
production we discovered that it's not

1911
01:27:53,839 --> 01:27:50,429
necessarily about the ghosts it's about

1912
01:27:57,379 --> 01:27:53,849
the what they call Stanley effect the

1913
01:28:00,799 --> 01:27:57,389
large deposits of quartz lime are sorry

1914
01:28:02,870 --> 01:28:00,809
yeah quartz limestone and magnetite

1915
01:28:04,850 --> 01:28:02,880
underneath the property in the mountain

1916
01:28:07,969 --> 01:28:04,860
that are causing some sort of a

1917
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:07,979
piezoelectric effect that are letting

1918
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:13,170
the ghosts manifest which I kind of fall

1919
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:15,690
back to where I was with the explanation

1920
01:28:20,779 --> 01:28:18,239
of little boy at the end that died of

1921
01:28:22,189 --> 01:28:20,789
pneumonia before we jumped the

1922
01:28:24,049 --> 01:28:22,199
conclusion that it's this weird

1923
01:28:27,469 --> 01:28:24,059
electromagnetic effect causing the

1924
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:27,479
ghosts to appear how about we see what's

1925
01:28:33,890 --> 01:28:32,010
actually under the hotel's so I traced

1926
01:28:35,469 --> 01:28:33,900
the sources and it actually turns out

1927
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that it was the TV show Ghost Hunters

1928
01:28:41,569 --> 01:28:39,329
that came up with that explanation and I

1929
01:28:45,589 --> 01:28:41,579
contacted them and they got all of their

1930
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real heavy beauty research from the guy

1931
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okay just a man folks just semantics so

1932
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if we go to a place does have a gift

1933
01:29:02,989 --> 01:29:00,119
shop we go to the pizza joint exactly

1934
01:29:05,089 --> 01:29:02,999
what we ended up doing I'm like okay I

1935
01:29:08,330 --> 01:29:05,099
need to find out who's in charge of soil

1936
01:29:09,979 --> 01:29:08,340
surveys kind of in a long run I

1937
01:29:12,020 --> 01:29:09,989
discovered that it's the US Department

1938
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:12,030
of Agriculture that's in short in charge

1939
01:29:16,879 --> 01:29:14,010
of monitoring soil samples throughout

1940
01:29:19,910 --> 01:29:16,889
the country so I got ahold of them and

1941
01:29:22,669 --> 01:29:19,920
after lots of emails and jokes and

1942
01:29:24,649 --> 01:29:22,679
things back and forth they asked if well

1943
01:29:26,299 --> 01:29:24,659
first they told me we don't know what's

1944
01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:26,309
underneath the Stanley Hotel because

1945
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:28,320
we've never been there there's never

1946
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been a soil stir

1947
01:29:34,100 --> 01:29:31,530
they their but they did have a

1948
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geomagnetic satellite survey of the area

1949
01:29:39,620 --> 01:29:37,950
which showed no anomalies whatsoever and

1950
01:29:41,300 --> 01:29:39,630
at that point I thought you you know

1951
01:29:42,470 --> 01:29:41,310
well we're not sure but at least I can

1952
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:42,480
tell them stop talking about that

1953
01:29:47,480 --> 01:29:44,130
because we don't know what's under there

1954
01:29:49,250 --> 01:29:47,490
but as luck would have it the Department

1955
01:29:50,810 --> 01:29:49,260
of Agriculture got back hold of me and

1956
01:29:53,570 --> 01:29:50,820
asked if we could get them into the

1957
01:29:54,980 --> 01:29:53,580
hotel and that's where we're gonna give

1958
01:29:57,050 --> 01:29:54,990
you a cliffhanger ladies and gentlemen

1959
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what did the Department of aquaculture

1960
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tell our little crew here as we try to

1961
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find the signal from the noise in ghosts

1962
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experiences too much noise out there I

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think Brian Jean and Randall you're in

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2072
01:34:41,729 --> 01:34:39,430
this is the wrong plaque author of the

2073
01:34:47,939 --> 01:34:41,739
UFO on Cyclopes and other books you're

2074
01:34:49,290 --> 01:34:47,949
listening to the parrot cap you know

2075
01:34:51,209 --> 01:34:49,300
what we should do Randall

2076
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:51,219
we should buy up a bunch of these or

2077
01:34:58,740 --> 01:34:54,250
work with a manufacturer to sell genuine

2078
01:35:01,050 --> 01:34:58,750
Randall para cast echo machines there is

2079
01:35:05,220 --> 01:35:01,060
actually a musical instrument company

2080
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:05,230
called Randall already uh oh they'll sue

2081
01:35:09,900 --> 01:35:07,290
us for trademark Brian go ahead please

2082
01:35:13,110 --> 01:35:09,910
as I was saying the Department of

2083
01:35:15,090 --> 01:35:13,120
Agriculture had contacted us asking if

2084
01:35:18,510 --> 01:35:15,100
we could get them into the hotel to

2085
01:35:20,540 --> 01:35:18,520
complete a survey now let me see if I

2086
01:35:23,939 --> 01:35:20,550
can explain this in a little more detail

2087
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:23,949
the US government was asking us the

2088
01:35:30,420 --> 01:35:26,650
little paranormal team if they could get

2089
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:30,430
permission to go to the hotel I have no

2090
01:35:35,610 --> 01:35:32,290
idea why they thought we needed to be

2091
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:35,620
the intermediary however we're crazy and

2092
01:35:43,310 --> 01:35:37,810
we'll do anything so it turns out that

2093
01:35:47,459 --> 01:35:43,320
got them in so we spent two days

2094
01:35:49,620 --> 01:35:47,469
spending a lot of tax money on ground

2095
01:35:52,380 --> 01:35:49,630
penetrating radar electromagnetic

2096
01:35:54,420 --> 01:35:52,390
induction guys digging in the dirt and

2097
01:35:57,330 --> 01:35:54,430
not just at the Stanley but a bunch of

2098
01:36:00,030 --> 01:35:57,340
the adjoining properties too we have a

2099
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:00,040
real government report that says

2100
01:36:05,420 --> 01:36:02,170
paranormal research team on it which i

2101
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:05,430
think is just golden on its own but

2102
01:36:10,380 --> 01:36:08,080
after all of this research we discovered

2103
01:36:14,790 --> 01:36:10,390
that those minerals are not underneath

2104
01:36:17,250 --> 01:36:14,800
the hotel so I had to go back to them

2105
01:36:19,860 --> 01:36:17,260
and say okay you have beautiful ghost

2106
01:36:21,660 --> 01:36:19,870
stories you have all these wonderful

2107
01:36:25,290 --> 01:36:21,670
experiences you have this amazing

2108
01:36:29,670 --> 01:36:25,300
history stop it with this really dumb

2109
01:36:31,500 --> 01:36:29,680
mineral thing and obviously didn't work

2110
01:36:34,380 --> 01:36:31,510
because a year to the day or a date of

2111
01:36:37,770 --> 01:36:34,390
the year after that the ghost

2112
01:36:40,740 --> 01:36:37,780
adventurers were there and the hotel's

2113
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:40,750
paranormal expert explained how the

2114
01:36:43,940 --> 01:36:42,850
minerals underneath the hotel caused all

2115
01:36:49,550 --> 01:36:43,950
of the ghosts

2116
01:36:52,010 --> 01:36:49,560
oh that must be so frustrating oh it is

2117
01:36:54,170 --> 01:36:52,020
and you know another example of bringing

2118
01:36:59,150 --> 01:36:54,180
people in kind of back to the Cheeseman

2119
01:37:00,830 --> 01:36:59,160
park thing back in 2010 because they

2120
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:00,840
were working on some of the irrigation

2121
01:37:09,380 --> 01:37:03,810
system inadvertently unearthed five

2122
01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:09,390
bodies and who we ended up because we

2123
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knew the history of the park and the

2124
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ghost stories and all this I was like I

2125
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:14,990
want to get in and document these bodies

2126
01:37:18,740 --> 01:37:17,250
not even necessarily for the ghost

2127
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portion of it just for the historic

2128
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aspect of it and the minute that the

2129
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medical examiner heard that it was a

2130
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paranormal group that was doing it she

2131
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pretty much hung up on us so we had to

2132
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call back and promise that we were going

2133
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to bring in a forensic anthropology

2134
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group to study these bones to see you

2135
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know possibly who they were what they

2136
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did what they died of and be able to add

2137
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a story to these people that had been

2138
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unearthed and she fell for it so we got

2139
01:37:56,270 --> 01:37:53,070
to spend a day with the bodies and we

2140
01:37:58,760 --> 01:37:56,280
did bring in the forensics team and that

2141
01:38:00,740 --> 01:37:58,770
was another one that you'll learn a lot

2142
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when you're doing things like that and

2143
01:38:05,330 --> 01:38:02,220
you never think that forensic

2144
01:38:07,610 --> 01:38:05,340
anthropology geology these things aren't

2145
01:38:09,530 --> 01:38:07,620
anything that you'd ever come up with

2146
01:38:11,150 --> 01:38:09,540
when you're thinking about well I want

2147
01:38:12,440 --> 01:38:11,160
to be a paranormal investigator what

2148
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:12,450
exactly do I need to know

2149
01:38:17,570 --> 01:38:15,690
well that's fabulous because it can then

2150
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:17,580
lead people who are interested in the

2151
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:20,250
phenomena if they look at it from a

2152
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:22,800
responsible point of view into genuine

2153
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:25,890
science and that can be just as

2154
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:27,810
fascinating if not more fascinating than

2155
01:38:35,140 --> 01:38:30,960
the subject to sell it can be and I

2156
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:35,150
think that only through the use of

2157
01:38:41,570 --> 01:38:38,970
testable legitimate science are we ever

2158
01:38:45,410 --> 01:38:41,580
going to be able to say one way or the

2159
01:38:46,700 --> 01:38:45,420
other what's actually going on you know

2160
01:38:49,700 --> 01:38:46,710
like I say it could be a personal

2161
01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:49,710
experience and that's wonderful but that

2162
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:51,600
personal experience doesn't mean

2163
01:38:57,740 --> 01:38:55,530
anything to anybody that either isn't

2164
01:39:00,380 --> 01:38:57,750
into it for the belief or

2165
01:39:02,150 --> 01:39:00,390
wasn't there I mean I can tell you that

2166
01:39:05,570 --> 01:39:02,160
last night I walked out back in my house

2167
01:39:07,970 --> 01:39:05,580
and there was a 65 foot long

2168
01:39:10,640 --> 01:39:07,980
cigar-shaped blinking object in my

2169
01:39:14,210 --> 01:39:10,650
backyard who are you to say that there

2170
01:39:16,010 --> 01:39:14,220
wasn't but there's no proof of it so it

2171
01:39:18,770 --> 01:39:16,020
falls back into being a personal

2172
01:39:20,780 --> 01:39:18,780
experience again but then again well

2173
01:39:23,330 --> 01:39:20,790
when we get into the concept of proof

2174
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:23,340
then what is proof to you how do you

2175
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:26,130
define that term I would say give me the

2176
01:39:31,070 --> 01:39:27,690
body but that's hard to do with ghosts

2177
01:39:35,330 --> 01:39:31,080
in order to meet the qualifications we

2178
01:39:38,420 --> 01:39:35,340
need something that is repeatedly

2179
01:39:40,550 --> 01:39:38,430
testable dead grandma only walks through

2180
01:39:42,650 --> 01:39:40,560
the living room once in that entire span

2181
01:39:45,530 --> 01:39:42,660
of somebody living in the home I can't

2182
01:39:48,770 --> 01:39:45,540
repeat that I can't say it was for sure

2183
01:39:51,050 --> 01:39:48,780
this and how would you know Brian how

2184
01:39:53,540 --> 01:39:51,060
would you know if you saw something you

2185
01:39:55,990 --> 01:39:53,550
thought was the dead grandmother and she

2186
01:39:57,890 --> 01:39:56,000
was their monthly not once in 46 years

2187
01:40:01,840 --> 01:39:57,900
he'll know it's her

2188
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:01,850
we wouldn't I mean there's so many other

2189
01:40:07,070 --> 01:40:03,810
how can I put this

2190
01:40:09,440 --> 01:40:07,080
science fiction explanations that you

2191
01:40:11,950 --> 01:40:09,450
know drag into science fact eventually

2192
01:40:14,540 --> 01:40:11,960
you know could it be something

2193
01:40:18,140 --> 01:40:14,550
interdimensional could it be something

2194
01:40:19,820 --> 01:40:18,150
recorded could it be something projected

2195
01:40:21,650 --> 01:40:19,830
mass delusion you know there's all of

2196
01:40:23,150 --> 01:40:21,660
these things that like I say they go

2197
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:23,160
into the realm of science fiction but

2198
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:27,330
they're just as credible as most of the

2199
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:31,290
paranormal explanations but how can we

2200
01:40:40,250 --> 01:40:35,810
get verifiable scientifically valid

2201
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:40,260
material evidence if the phenomena is

2202
01:40:47,180 --> 01:40:45,570
immaterial morons like me go out into

2203
01:40:48,650 --> 01:40:47,190
the field and keep eating our heads on

2204
01:40:52,460 --> 01:40:48,660
rocks until we come up with the right

2205
01:40:54,490 --> 01:40:52,470
answer what keeps you at it what keeps

2206
01:40:58,910 --> 01:40:54,500
you going

2207
01:41:03,260 --> 01:40:58,920
honestly it the variance is that I get

2208
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:03,270
to have it's the ghosts that I told cuz

2209
01:41:09,260 --> 01:41:05,010
you know I'm still a huge fan of the

2210
01:41:10,950 --> 01:41:09,270
stories the ability to do the historic

2211
01:41:13,470 --> 01:41:10,960
research which

2212
01:41:18,440 --> 01:41:13,480
in school I hated history now I am the

2213
01:41:21,150 --> 01:41:18,450
biggest history buff that I met and it's

2214
01:41:24,330 --> 01:41:21,160
so intriguing to learn the pasts of a

2215
01:41:27,420 --> 01:41:24,340
lot of these places especially we get to

2216
01:41:30,210 --> 01:41:27,430
go to places that most people don't or

2217
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:30,220
if they do they only get to go there for

2218
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:32,650
a brief period of time under heavy guard

2219
01:41:41,190 --> 01:41:38,770
and for me it's it's really kind of an

2220
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:41,200
amazing thing but at the same time I

2221
01:41:46,860 --> 01:41:44,290
kind of ask people not to do it we've

2222
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:46,870
gone to places there was a courthouse

2223
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:49,210
that we went to locally that was the

2224
01:41:55,230 --> 01:41:51,730
county seat for a very large area here

2225
01:41:57,720 --> 01:41:55,240
and they wanted us to come look at their

2226
01:42:00,060 --> 01:41:57,730
paranormal claims we showed up Friday

2227
01:42:03,870 --> 01:42:00,070
afternoon and they threw the keys at us

2228
01:42:06,510 --> 01:42:03,880
and said we'll be back Sunday night this

2229
01:42:09,630 --> 01:42:06,520
is all the county records this is all of

2230
01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:09,640
anything just everything and where

2231
01:42:13,380 --> 01:42:11,440
nobody why are they handing it to us

2232
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:13,390
people do that with their businesses

2233
01:42:19,890 --> 01:42:17,650
with their homes and thankfully you know

2234
01:42:22,890 --> 01:42:19,900
everybody that we've worked with has

2235
01:42:25,010 --> 01:42:22,900
been credible and not somebody that's

2236
01:42:29,850 --> 01:42:25,020
gonna cause a problem but unfortunately

2237
01:42:31,890 --> 01:42:29,860
the world's not fold just that so when

2238
01:42:33,630 --> 01:42:31,900
people say you know have my house for

2239
01:42:36,870 --> 01:42:33,640
the weekend there must be a ghost I

2240
01:42:38,820 --> 01:42:36,880
think twice one thing that bothers me

2241
01:42:42,180 --> 01:42:38,830
also we're talking about the ghost thing

2242
01:42:43,830 --> 01:42:42,190
well you have these ghost hunting TV

2243
01:42:47,660 --> 01:42:43,840
shows so we won't mention any particular

2244
01:42:51,270 --> 01:42:47,670
names they seem to always find something

2245
01:42:55,410 --> 01:42:51,280
and you wonder how can you do that how

2246
01:42:59,220 --> 01:42:55,420
can just some random crew of TV actors

2247
01:43:02,760 --> 01:42:59,230
producers whatever go into a place set

2248
01:43:06,030 --> 01:43:02,770
the camera and my god there it is well

2249
01:43:06,570 --> 01:43:06,040
really there's multiple answers to that

2250
01:43:08,940 --> 01:43:06,580
question

2251
01:43:11,610 --> 01:43:08,950
the the thing is and I tell this to

2252
01:43:12,750 --> 01:43:11,620
people that when they legitimately think

2253
01:43:15,110 --> 01:43:12,760
there's something going on in their

2254
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:15,120
homes I always ask them keep a diary

2255
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:17,410
because I want to see if there's any

2256
01:43:21,300 --> 01:43:19,330
kind of a pattern to this because what

2257
01:43:24,690 --> 01:43:21,310
people perceive as happening all the

2258
01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:24,700
time usually isn't they're just afraid

2259
01:43:30,870 --> 01:43:26,290
it seems like it's happening all the

2260
01:43:33,780 --> 01:43:30,880
time so if I go in for an 8-hour period

2261
01:43:35,550 --> 01:43:33,790
on one Friday in the entire span that

2262
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:35,560
they've lived in this house the odds of

2263
01:43:43,140 --> 01:43:40,050
me even encountering them at home are

2264
01:43:46,410 --> 01:43:43,150
statistically really low so you have to

2265
01:43:49,830 --> 01:43:46,420
find a way to be able to at least try to

2266
01:43:50,670 --> 01:43:49,840
be there for the event if at all

2267
01:43:55,050 --> 01:43:50,680
possible

2268
01:43:58,080 --> 01:43:55,060
now with the TV shows I'm not gonna use

2269
01:44:01,080 --> 01:43:58,090
any names here but I'll pretend that it

2270
01:44:02,790 --> 01:44:01,090
might be called ghost hunters for the

2271
01:44:09,180 --> 01:44:02,800
first couple of seasons really didn't

2272
01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:09,190
find anything and it was it was not bad

2273
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:10,650
I mean you know there were some

2274
01:44:14,310 --> 01:44:12,850
questionable things but generally they

2275
01:44:17,820 --> 01:44:14,320
were they were following some pretty

2276
01:44:19,950 --> 01:44:17,830
good psychic protocols the problem was

2277
01:44:21,510 --> 01:44:19,960
the public was getting a little bored

2278
01:44:23,370 --> 01:44:21,520
with it and during one of their

2279
01:44:26,970 --> 01:44:23,380
investigations a couple of things

2280
01:44:30,660 --> 01:44:26,980
happened that were easily explainable

2281
01:44:32,850 --> 01:44:30,670
and explainable by the people that were

2282
01:44:36,540 --> 01:44:32,860
there if you talk to the man away from

2283
01:44:39,180 --> 01:44:36,550
the cameras but they aired it with

2284
01:44:41,070 --> 01:44:39,190
pretty much no explanation not really

2285
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:41,080
saying oh it's a ghost but they didn't

2286
01:44:46,470 --> 01:44:44,770
say it wasn't and that's when it was

2287
01:44:48,750 --> 01:44:46,480
discovered that if you show up with

2288
01:44:52,710 --> 01:44:48,760
anything that appears to be paranormal

2289
01:44:55,110 --> 01:44:52,720
evidence people 2min okay we've answered

2290
01:44:57,930 --> 01:44:55,120
the big question there we should have

2291
01:45:00,090 --> 01:44:57,940
more now we don't do that a power cast

2292
01:45:06,100 --> 01:45:00,100
more to come with Brian Randall and

2293
01:45:06,110 --> 01:45:09,730
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2348
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here's Jane Steinberg okay ladies and

2349
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gentlemen Randall's not a ghost that's a

2350
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:47,810
fake echo that's a dollar 98 echo

2351
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chamber that he can buy from the dollar

2352
01:47:55,570 --> 01:47:53,690
store wherever he is or not or one of

2353
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those stores and maybe we'll make a deal

2354
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and offer those things but then you

2355
01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:00,380
could do that digitally I can do it

2356
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digitally I can do things okay so it's

2357
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looking at an upgrade yeah I saw went

2358
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over at the superstore it has like a

2359
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:10,540
bunch of extra buttons on he can push

2360
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:13,970
okay sir Brian the point being here the

2361
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:16,610
TV show producers see if we see

2362
01:48:21,310 --> 01:48:18,890
something we discover something an

2363
01:48:23,320 --> 01:48:21,320
episode people come back and watch

2364
01:48:25,570 --> 01:48:23,330
what's gonna happen next week that's

2365
01:48:28,750 --> 01:48:25,580
kinda like the story of somebody who has

2366
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:28,760
a UFO experience and people hear that

2367
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:30,530
and they're impressed and they want them

2368
01:48:35,530 --> 01:48:32,410
to have an experience next week and

2369
01:48:37,540 --> 01:48:35,540
somehow they may be encouraged to do

2370
01:48:39,340 --> 01:48:37,550
that we think of that in the terms of

2371
01:48:41,470 --> 01:48:39,350
the UFO contactee so I'm gonna ask you

2372
01:48:43,750 --> 01:48:41,480
about abductions later so the

2373
01:48:45,940 --> 01:48:43,760
implication here is the producers of the

2374
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:45,950
TV reality show we can call it ghost

2375
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:50,050
hunters if we want will be inspired to

2376
01:48:58,630 --> 01:48:54,410
create a docu fiction kind of reality

2377
01:49:00,190 --> 01:48:58,640
show absolutely and you know that's one

2378
01:49:02,260 --> 01:49:00,200
of the things when the network comes to

2379
01:49:04,930 --> 01:49:02,270
you and goes hey the ratings are going

2380
01:49:07,510 --> 01:49:04,940
up and the selling the advertising say

2381
01:49:10,930 --> 01:49:07,520
the you know this is really a hot thing

2382
01:49:13,480 --> 01:49:10,940
right now but in order to keep this we

2383
01:49:19,210 --> 01:49:13,490
need to keep finding things and int

2384
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:19,220
money talks I mean if you get a good

2385
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:24,050
name in the para celeb TV world you're

2386
01:49:28,300 --> 01:49:25,280
not gonna be a millionaire but you're

2387
01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:28,310
not gonna be hurting either so it's in

2388
01:49:33,940 --> 01:49:31,850
your best interest to play along and you

2389
01:49:34,420 --> 01:49:33,950
don't feel that you've been swayed in

2390
01:49:37,980 --> 01:49:34,430
any

2391
01:49:40,900 --> 01:49:37,990
regular direction by the lure of

2392
01:49:43,420 --> 01:49:40,910
financial gain in this you're in it for

2393
01:49:46,420 --> 01:49:43,430
the truth and to try and figure out

2394
01:49:48,910 --> 01:49:46,430
what's really going on well I'll say I

2395
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:48,920
really like to find the truth

2396
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:50,810
even if it's not paranormal in nature

2397
01:49:56,650 --> 01:49:53,770
because it's it's fun solving a mystery

2398
01:49:59,200 --> 01:49:56,660
however I have turned down a couple of

2399
01:50:03,130 --> 01:49:59,210
TV shows because looking at the

2400
01:50:06,010 --> 01:50:03,140
contracts I specified no faking of

2401
01:50:09,340 --> 01:50:06,020
anything and it kind of goes away at

2402
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:09,350
that point interesting returning for a

2403
01:50:16,210 --> 01:50:12,770
moment to the geological explanations

2404
01:50:17,740 --> 01:50:16,220
for some of this have you heard of a

2405
01:50:18,550 --> 01:50:17,750
Canadian researcher by the name of

2406
01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:18,560
Michael Persinger

2407
01:50:24,190 --> 01:50:22,130
yep so who just died recently

2408
01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:24,200
that's right we'd lost him not that long

2409
01:50:31,210 --> 01:50:27,410
ago I'm in Canada and what do you think

2410
01:50:33,850 --> 01:50:31,220
of some of his work I really liked dr.

2411
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:33,860
Persinger's work towards the end I'm

2412
01:50:38,740 --> 01:50:35,810
thinking he may have been getting a

2413
01:50:41,740 --> 01:50:38,750
little delusional because he was talking

2414
01:50:44,860 --> 01:50:41,750
about some things that everybody's got

2415
01:50:48,300 --> 01:50:44,870
their points I guess but back to the god

2416
01:50:51,070 --> 01:50:48,310
helmet it was an interesting study I've

2417
01:50:53,590 --> 01:50:51,080
read tons about it gone through all the

2418
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:53,600
white papers and we've actually had a

2419
01:50:59,410 --> 01:50:56,570
couple of cases that I believe were

2420
01:51:02,110 --> 01:50:59,420
completely related to his research one

2421
01:51:06,070 --> 01:51:02,120
of them we had a home that there were

2422
01:51:08,980 --> 01:51:06,080
two very very elderly women living in

2423
01:51:10,720 --> 01:51:08,990
they were both in their early 90s I'll

2424
01:51:13,300 --> 01:51:10,730
just give you this portion of the

2425
01:51:15,450 --> 01:51:13,310
investigation they claimed that there

2426
01:51:17,590 --> 01:51:15,460
were giant what appeared to be

2427
01:51:20,550 --> 01:51:17,600
grasshoppers walking through the house

2428
01:51:25,330 --> 01:51:20,560
at night and they were terrified of them

2429
01:51:28,330 --> 01:51:25,340
well during the investigation I took out

2430
01:51:29,980 --> 01:51:28,340
a EMF meter and started just kind of

2431
01:51:34,090 --> 01:51:29,990
sniffing around the house to see what

2432
01:51:38,590 --> 01:51:34,100
was going on and found out in the older

2433
01:51:40,420 --> 01:51:38,600
sister's bedroom there was a CPAP

2434
01:51:43,030 --> 01:51:40,430
machine because she had sleep apnea

2435
01:51:47,770 --> 01:51:43,040
it was throwing off an electromagnetic

2436
01:51:48,830 --> 01:51:47,780
field that was honestly unsafe for

2437
01:51:51,050 --> 01:51:48,840
anybody

2438
01:51:52,220 --> 01:51:51,060
and it was always on in order to get

2439
01:51:54,140 --> 01:51:52,230
around some of the underwriter

2440
01:51:56,419 --> 01:51:54,150
laboratories roles they only switched

2441
01:52:00,589 --> 01:51:56,429
the low-voltage side the high voltage

2442
01:52:04,609 --> 01:52:00,599
side was always there so I brought these

2443
01:52:05,899 --> 01:52:04,619
two women into the room and I said how

2444
01:52:07,490 --> 01:52:05,909
long have you been having these

2445
01:52:10,700 --> 01:52:07,500
experiences and they said well it's been

2446
01:52:12,620 --> 01:52:10,710
probably about three months I said okay

2447
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:12,630
and it only happens generally in the

2448
01:52:18,709 --> 01:52:15,530
area of this room correct they said yeah

2449
01:52:21,109 --> 01:52:18,719
said the CPAP machine over here how long

2450
01:52:24,109 --> 01:52:21,119
have you had it I said about three

2451
01:52:28,010 --> 01:52:24,119
months and I said okay I want to run an

2452
01:52:30,649 --> 01:52:28,020
experiment I said I'm going to put I put

2453
01:52:32,839 --> 01:52:30,659
a power strip instead of a 90 year old

2454
01:52:36,050 --> 01:52:32,849
woman having to bend over and unplug a

2455
01:52:38,390 --> 01:52:36,060
machine I gave her a switch and I said

2456
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:38,400
tonight I want you to leave this machine

2457
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:42,210
turned off don't kill your sister if

2458
01:52:48,620 --> 01:52:45,810
she's gagging turn it on but if possible

2459
01:52:53,570 --> 01:52:48,630
leave it off throughout the night the

2460
01:52:57,800 --> 01:52:53,580
following night turn it back on we'll be

2461
01:53:01,820 --> 01:52:57,810
back in three days so we came back and I

2462
01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:01,830
said so how did it go she said the

2463
01:53:08,990 --> 01:53:07,170
second night horrifying they're just you

2464
01:53:11,140 --> 01:53:09,000
know the the typical things going on but

2465
01:53:13,870 --> 01:53:11,150
the first night they slept like babies

2466
01:53:16,189 --> 01:53:13,880
she's like what happened what's the deal

2467
01:53:17,959 --> 01:53:16,199
well you have to realize that you're

2468
01:53:20,870 --> 01:53:17,969
dealing with somebody in their 90s who's

2469
01:53:24,109 --> 01:53:20,880
probably not as cognitive as you would

2470
01:53:29,330 --> 01:53:24,119
hope so I just explained to her that the

2471
01:53:32,089 --> 01:53:29,340
machine was basically short-circuiting

2472
01:53:34,839 --> 01:53:32,099
her brain to make her believe she was

2473
01:53:39,709 --> 01:53:34,849
seeing ghosts or seeing these big

2474
01:53:43,370 --> 01:53:39,719
crickets and I said what I want you to

2475
01:53:46,490 --> 01:53:43,380
do is call your insurance company and

2476
01:53:48,350 --> 01:53:46,500
explain to them that this machine is way

2477
01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:48,360
too loud and neither one of you can

2478
01:53:53,450 --> 01:53:50,690
sleep and you want a different model and

2479
01:53:55,669 --> 01:53:53,460
she said well why don't I tell them that

2480
01:53:58,669 --> 01:53:55,679
it's making this happen I said no

2481
01:54:00,830 --> 01:53:58,679
because both of us will in end up being

2482
01:54:02,629 --> 01:54:00,840
questioned over the whole thing just

2483
01:54:04,639 --> 01:54:02,639
tell them it's too loud

2484
01:54:06,679 --> 01:54:04,649
she did that he got a new machine in

2485
01:54:09,859 --> 01:54:06,689
that had almost no electromagnetic field

2486
01:54:11,629 --> 01:54:09,869
coming off of it and they were both

2487
01:54:15,889 --> 01:54:11,639
happy and when a month went along with

2488
01:54:20,330 --> 01:54:15,899
you know their lives so it really felt

2489
01:54:23,029 --> 01:54:20,340
back to Persinger's experiments of we

2490
01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:23,039
had two people that had you know

2491
01:54:27,080 --> 01:54:25,530
probably pretty degraded brains at the

2492
01:54:30,609 --> 01:54:27,090
point that they were in their nineties

2493
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:30,619
they weren't you know in their prime and

2494
01:54:37,009 --> 01:54:33,570
the cultural bias apparently they were

2495
01:54:39,439 --> 01:54:37,019
afraid of bugs so two and two together

2496
01:54:41,000 --> 01:54:39,449
they saw these giant bugs wandering

2497
01:54:42,889 --> 01:54:41,010
through the house at night we took the

2498
01:54:46,629 --> 01:54:42,899
source of the electromagnetic field away

2499
01:54:50,389 --> 01:54:46,639
and now we have two very happy women

2500
01:54:55,069 --> 01:54:50,399
very interesting so you also say in your

2501
01:54:58,279 --> 01:54:55,079
experience that you have experience in

2502
01:55:00,469 --> 01:54:58,289
electromagnetic field study so did you

2503
01:55:04,270 --> 01:55:00,479
take some special courses for that I

2504
01:55:08,120 --> 01:55:04,280
actually got certified a couple of times

2505
01:55:10,489 --> 01:55:08,130
for doing electromagnetic field surveys

2506
01:55:14,419 --> 01:55:10,499
for broadcast equipment for human

2507
01:55:16,790 --> 01:55:14,429
exposure really interesting so can you

2508
01:55:19,959 --> 01:55:16,800
tell us a little bit more about that and

2509
01:55:23,600 --> 01:55:19,969
say could the effects of something like

2510
01:55:25,939 --> 01:55:23,610
cellphones or or cordless telephones

2511
01:55:28,339 --> 01:55:25,949
which give off a lot more e/m or at

2512
01:55:30,259 --> 01:55:28,349
least definitely in the old days how

2513
01:55:32,750 --> 01:55:30,269
would they compare to something like the

2514
01:55:35,359 --> 01:55:32,760
the field that this a Pinilla machine

2515
01:55:37,669 --> 01:55:35,369
was giving off the field that thing was

2516
01:55:40,339 --> 01:55:37,679
giving off was insane now we did have

2517
01:55:44,389 --> 01:55:40,349
another case where it was similar it was

2518
01:55:46,729 --> 01:55:44,399
a younger group of people but in taking

2519
01:55:48,649 --> 01:55:46,739
a meter into their house I discovered

2520
01:55:51,649 --> 01:55:48,659
and they should have told me off the bat

2521
01:55:55,159 --> 01:55:51,659
there was a new cellular antenna site

2522
01:55:57,139 --> 01:55:55,169
that was I'd say probably 15 feet away

2523
01:56:01,040 --> 01:55:57,149
from the head of their bed in the alley

2524
01:56:03,500 --> 01:56:01,050
and they went in and went to bed the

2525
01:56:06,620 --> 01:56:03,510
ghosts would happen and we've also

2526
01:56:08,209 --> 01:56:06,630
noticed that it happens based on a well

2527
01:56:10,759 --> 01:56:08,219
just like Persinger did based on a

2528
01:56:12,379 --> 01:56:10,769
cultural bias - if they're expecting

2529
01:56:14,719 --> 01:56:12,389
ghosts they get ghosts if they're

2530
01:56:16,440 --> 01:56:14,729
expecting bugs they get bugs if they're

2531
01:56:18,090 --> 01:56:16,450
expecting aliens well sure

2532
01:56:24,990 --> 01:56:18,100
enough we got green people at the end of

2533
01:56:26,970 --> 01:56:25,000
the bed so the amount that it takes and

2534
01:56:29,310 --> 01:56:26,980
I think person are really it was having

2535
01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:29,320
a problem with that too it depends on

2536
01:56:35,160 --> 01:56:31,410
the condition of the person's brain

2537
01:56:37,350 --> 01:56:35,170
there's a lot of you know variables in

2538
01:56:39,450 --> 01:56:37,360
there we've got another variable here

2539
01:56:42,270 --> 01:56:39,460
but I want to ask about that that raised

2540
01:56:43,500 --> 01:56:42,280
a key question about perceptions of

2541
01:56:45,600 --> 01:56:43,510
different things with regard to

2542
01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:45,610
paranormal phenomena and the

2543
01:56:49,140 --> 01:56:47,890
expectations of what you're going to see

2544
01:56:52,790 --> 01:56:49,150
it's something that we've been talking

2545
01:56:55,320 --> 01:56:52,800
about also co-creation I don't know if

2546
01:56:57,840 --> 01:56:55,330
Brian's heard the co-creation theory

2547
01:57:00,540 --> 01:56:57,850
about UFOs but we can get into that as

2548
01:57:03,120 --> 01:57:00,550
well J Randall Murphy gene Steinberg

2549
01:57:06,060 --> 01:57:03,130
Brian Bonner who's here for the first

2550
01:57:08,940 --> 01:57:06,070
time it has kind of a really really

2551
01:57:19,140 --> 01:57:08,950
healthy skeptical approach to paranormal

2552
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:19,150
research you're in the terra cast attack

2553
01:57:23,490 --> 01:57:21,010
of the rock ODEs has been well received

2554
01:57:25,020 --> 01:57:23,500
by critics and readers alike it's a

2555
01:57:27,810 --> 01:57:25,030
thrill a minute story you'll never

2556
01:57:30,390 --> 01:57:27,820
forget a former US military intelligence

2557
01:57:33,060 --> 01:57:30,400
officer is haunted by intense dreams

2558
01:57:35,310 --> 01:57:33,070
about a beautiful woman pleading for his

2559
01:57:37,980 --> 01:57:35,320
help after a terrible battle in outer

2560
01:57:40,350 --> 01:57:37,990
space but the dreams turn out to be true

2561
01:57:42,840 --> 01:57:40,360
and thrust him into a telepathic love

2562
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:42,850
affair with a woman who's faraway planet

2563
01:57:48,480 --> 01:57:45,490
is intent on destroying the earth and

2564
01:57:51,180 --> 01:57:48,490
now the gripping tale continues in but

2565
01:57:53,910 --> 01:57:51,190
coming of the protectors it's the second

2566
01:57:55,770 --> 01:57:53,920
book of the Rockets trilogy a galaxy

2567
01:57:58,530 --> 01:57:55,780
spanning adventure that pits our hapless

2568
01:58:00,600 --> 01:57:58,540
heroes against powerful fanatical

2569
01:58:03,510 --> 01:58:00,610
enemies that threaten the lives of

2570
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:03,520
freedom loving beings everywhere attack

2571
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:06,010
of the rock AIDS and the coming of the

2572
01:58:12,150 --> 01:58:08,890
protectors classic science fiction at

2573
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its best available now for more details

2574
01:58:20,280 --> 01:58:16,870
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2575
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dot-com it's been said any society is

2576
01:58:25,050 --> 01:58:22,450
only three missed meals away from chaos

2577
01:58:27,150 --> 01:58:25,060
those times may be near think about it

2578
01:58:28,860 --> 01:58:27,160
our country faces multiple terrorist

2579
01:58:31,260 --> 01:58:28,870
threats and aggressions from Russia

2580
01:58:33,090 --> 01:58:31,270
in North Korea social unrest and violent

2581
01:58:35,190 --> 01:58:33,100
marches yet again may lead to looting of

2582
01:58:36,660 --> 01:58:35,200
stores and city shutdowns and a

2583
01:58:38,400 --> 01:58:36,670
crumbling infrastructure leaves our

2584
01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:38,410
power grid vulnerable to long term

2585
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outages from a single cyberattack when

2586
01:58:44,580 --> 01:58:42,550
the chaos from any one of these threats

2587
01:58:46,560 --> 01:58:44,590
arises the government knows it can't

2588
01:58:48,570 --> 01:58:46,570
provide during a widespread national

2589
01:58:51,150 --> 01:58:48,580
emergency that's why you need your own

2590
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plan for self-reliance that's where my

2591
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2592
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survival food supply for only $99 that

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includes breakfast lunches and dinners

2594
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order online at prepare with GCN comm 99

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2596
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that tastes like homemade cooking and

2597
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lasts up to 25 years from my Patriot

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supply get your kits today at prepare

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2600
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2601
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2602
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2603
01:59:30,060 --> 01:59:26,860
rural

2604
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2605
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2606
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2607
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2608
01:59:42,900 --> 01:59:38,770
any lines they have near your dig sites

2609
01:59:45,660 --> 01:59:42,910
so before you do this or this make sure

2610
01:59:48,360 --> 01:59:45,670
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2611
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2641
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2649
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2650
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2653
02:01:27,270 --> 02:01:25,210
[Music]

2654
02:01:30,970 --> 02:01:27,280
[Applause]

2655
02:01:35,310 --> 02:01:30,980
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2656
02:01:43,540 --> 02:01:35,320
standard of paranormal radio and now

2657
02:01:46,150 --> 02:01:43,550
here's Jane Steinberg since you've

2658
02:01:50,500 --> 02:01:46,160
mentioned here that depending on your

2659
02:01:53,500 --> 02:01:50,510
expectations Brian you may see ghosts

2660
02:01:55,450 --> 02:01:53,510
you may see UFOs you may see aliens does

2661
02:01:58,770 --> 02:01:55,460
that explain some of these UFO

2662
02:02:02,050 --> 02:01:58,780
abductions oh I think it absolutely does

2663
02:02:03,700 --> 02:02:02,060
now does it explain the bulk of them

2664
02:02:07,660 --> 02:02:03,710
probably not because I think it's

2665
02:02:10,830 --> 02:02:07,670
probably a pretty small set to work from

2666
02:02:13,140 --> 02:02:10,840
when it comes to people that are a

2667
02:02:15,910 --> 02:02:13,150
susceptible to these types of

2668
02:02:17,740 --> 02:02:15,920
electromagnetic fields and be actually

2669
02:02:21,910 --> 02:02:17,750
near them to have that happen

2670
02:02:24,850 --> 02:02:21,920
so does it happen absolutely I've seen

2671
02:02:26,620 --> 02:02:24,860
it is it the main cause probably not

2672
02:02:28,810 --> 02:02:26,630
but the thing is there's lots of

2673
02:02:31,090 --> 02:02:28,820
different little things like this that

2674
02:02:34,060 --> 02:02:31,100
kind of accumulate into looking like a

2675
02:02:35,590 --> 02:02:34,070
larger phenomena which may actually be

2676
02:02:38,890 --> 02:02:35,600
associated with something completely

2677
02:02:40,420 --> 02:02:38,900
different but we have to be able to you

2678
02:02:43,270 --> 02:02:40,430
know cut through the small stuff to find

2679
02:02:46,150 --> 02:02:43,280
out what the big stuff might be and I'll

2680
02:02:49,750 --> 02:02:46,160
I'll go to a place that everybody in the

2681
02:02:53,800 --> 02:02:49,760
paranormal world be it UFO or ghosts

2682
02:02:57,190 --> 02:02:53,810
really hate is sleep paralysis it has

2683
02:03:00,970 --> 02:02:57,200
the same cultural bias that the exposure

2684
02:03:04,300 --> 02:03:00,980
to electromagnetic fields does what

2685
02:03:08,830 --> 02:03:04,310
you're expecting is generally what you

2686
02:03:10,830 --> 02:03:08,840
get okay if we could stick just before

2687
02:03:14,200 --> 02:03:10,840
we move on to that with the

2688
02:03:17,290 --> 02:03:14,210
electromagnetic hypersensitivity that's

2689
02:03:19,660 --> 02:03:17,300
a pretty contentious topic but well

2690
02:03:21,070 --> 02:03:19,670
reports more recently are they're

2691
02:03:23,770 --> 02:03:21,080
actually pulling routers out of

2692
02:03:26,050 --> 02:03:23,780
elementary schools because of it now the

2693
02:03:29,920 --> 02:03:26,060
World Health Organization has actually

2694
02:03:32,950 --> 02:03:29,930
reverse its previous opinion and on the

2695
02:03:35,350 --> 02:03:32,960
use of wireless technology so how much

2696
02:03:38,020 --> 02:03:35,360
eeehm does something like a router give

2697
02:03:40,270 --> 02:03:38,030
off compared to say this lady's apnea

2698
02:03:42,669 --> 02:03:40,280
machine oh absolutely

2699
02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:42,679
negligible compared to the sleep apnea

2700
02:03:48,399 --> 02:03:45,530
machine and well one of the things and

2701
02:03:50,410 --> 02:03:48,409
the electromagnetic sensitivity that's

2702
02:03:53,470 --> 02:03:50,420
something that I've actually done quite

2703
02:03:54,939 --> 02:03:53,480
a bit of looking into and you can run

2704
02:03:56,830 --> 02:03:54,949
into two things first of all it's

2705
02:03:59,709 --> 02:03:56,840
radiation the minute you say radiation

2706
02:04:01,299 --> 02:03:59,719
people freak out and they need to learn

2707
02:04:04,569 --> 02:04:01,309
the difference between ionizing and

2708
02:04:07,240 --> 02:04:04,579
non-ionizing radiation that that if you

2709
02:04:11,229 --> 02:04:07,250
can get that part through it helps but

2710
02:04:16,089 --> 02:04:11,239
then the electromagnetic sensitivity

2711
02:04:18,220 --> 02:04:16,099
type thing if it's studied properly all

2712
02:04:20,700 --> 02:04:18,230
of the and I hate to use the word

2713
02:04:23,740 --> 02:04:20,710
credible tests that have gone through

2714
02:04:26,649 --> 02:04:23,750
you know at least a double-blind where

2715
02:04:29,290 --> 02:04:26,659
they'll put people into a cage that

2716
02:04:31,470 --> 02:04:29,300
can't pass through a signal and they'll

2717
02:04:34,930 --> 02:04:31,480
put them in a room with a router and

2718
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:34,940
these people will have a reaction well

2719
02:04:39,310 --> 02:04:37,010
they haven't actually turned the router

2720
02:04:43,209 --> 02:04:39,320
on there's just a box sitting in the

2721
02:04:44,979 --> 02:04:43,219
room it seems to be a a psychological

2722
02:04:47,500 --> 02:04:44,989
condition more than anything else

2723
02:04:50,859 --> 02:04:47,510
not to say that it's not possible for

2724
02:04:54,370 --> 02:04:50,869
people to have that but even barring

2725
02:04:57,790 --> 02:04:54,380
Wi-Fi we've had radio signals bombarding

2726
02:05:00,540 --> 02:04:57,800
us TV signals bombarding us I mean even

2727
02:05:04,060 --> 02:05:00,550
the Sun itself is throwing so much

2728
02:05:07,450 --> 02:05:04,070
electromagnetic noise at us that if

2729
02:05:10,709 --> 02:05:07,460
people were truly sensitive to that this

2730
02:05:13,779 --> 02:05:10,719
would have been a phenomenon forever

2731
02:05:16,419 --> 02:05:13,789
Wi-Fi really hasn't added that much to

2732
02:05:19,510 --> 02:05:16,429
it or cellphones really haven't added

2733
02:05:21,430 --> 02:05:19,520
that much to it there's it's it's the

2734
02:05:25,569 --> 02:05:21,440
floor is up a little higher than it used

2735
02:05:28,510 --> 02:05:25,579
to be but in comparison to you have a

2736
02:05:32,410 --> 02:05:28,520
cell phone that's giving off five watts

2737
02:05:35,799 --> 02:05:32,420
you have an AM broadcast station a mile

2738
02:05:37,810 --> 02:05:35,809
away that's giving off 200,000 watts

2739
02:05:39,640 --> 02:05:37,820
well that a.m. station's been there

2740
02:05:40,899 --> 02:05:39,650
forever but up until they had a

2741
02:05:43,299 --> 02:05:40,909
cellphone they weren't freaked out about

2742
02:05:45,879 --> 02:05:43,309
it and by the way just to put things in

2743
02:05:49,479 --> 02:05:45,889
perspective I used to work very close to

2744
02:05:52,120 --> 02:05:49,489
some of those AM radio stations not two

2745
02:05:54,100 --> 02:05:52,130
hundred thousand Watts five thousand

2746
02:05:56,649 --> 02:05:54,110
Watts ten thousand watts

2747
02:06:00,939 --> 02:05:56,659
and my brain hasn't been fried yet some

2748
02:06:03,010 --> 02:06:00,949
will dispute that now the one phenomenon

2749
02:06:06,430 --> 02:06:03,020
I did experience with being close to a

2750
02:06:08,350 --> 02:06:06,440
radio station once is the telephones

2751
02:06:09,729 --> 02:06:08,360
would pick up the signal you could

2752
02:06:11,260 --> 02:06:09,739
actually pick up the phone and listen to

2753
02:06:14,830 --> 02:06:11,270
the local radio station which I thought

2754
02:06:18,040 --> 02:06:14,840
was fun but yeah as far as the the

2755
02:06:19,540 --> 02:06:18,050
sensitivity I think that one is I would

2756
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:19,550
say still out but I think they're kind

2757
02:06:26,470 --> 02:06:23,770
of disproving it but the overwhelming

2758
02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:26,480
electromagnetic fields there's certain

2759
02:06:30,280 --> 02:06:27,530
parts of the brain you know it's

2760
02:06:31,990 --> 02:06:30,290
normally the the temporal lobe that's

2761
02:06:33,820 --> 02:06:32,000
being affected by this and I think

2762
02:06:36,700 --> 02:06:33,830
person are pretty pretty much nailed

2763
02:06:39,129 --> 02:06:36,710
that too so I think you're looking at

2764
02:06:41,500 --> 02:06:39,139
two different things when it comes to

2765
02:06:45,220 --> 02:06:41,510
that so what I was seeing here overall

2766
02:06:48,729 --> 02:06:45,230
is that you feel strange things are

2767
02:06:51,070 --> 02:06:48,739
going on but most of these experiences

2768
02:06:51,600 --> 02:06:51,080
have conventional explanations am i

2769
02:06:54,580 --> 02:06:51,610
right

2770
02:06:58,180 --> 02:06:54,590
absolutely okay so I want to ask you

2771
02:07:00,550 --> 02:06:58,190
about that in terms of UFOs the ones

2772
02:07:02,500 --> 02:07:00,560
that can't be explained in the way

2773
02:07:04,540 --> 02:07:02,510
you've described what do you think they

2774
02:07:08,109 --> 02:07:04,550
are spaceships interdimensional what

2775
02:07:10,800 --> 02:07:08,119
well the answer is let's go back to the

2776
02:07:14,379 --> 02:07:10,810
word UFO I think it's a wonderful word

2777
02:07:18,010 --> 02:07:14,389
unidentified not alien but just

2778
02:07:19,620 --> 02:07:18,020
unidentified and it's kind of covered in

2779
02:07:24,580 --> 02:07:19,630
a few different ways

2780
02:07:28,419 --> 02:07:24,590
first of all our our military and

2781
02:07:31,660 --> 02:07:28,429
everybody else's military and usually

2782
02:07:33,700 --> 02:07:31,670
for the right reasons keeps a lot of

2783
02:07:35,950 --> 02:07:33,710
things secret from the public because

2784
02:07:41,439 --> 02:07:35,960
it's in the best interest of national

2785
02:07:46,270 --> 02:07:41,449
security so we have lots of Technology a

2786
02:07:50,080 --> 02:07:46,280
lot of airborne technology that you and

2787
02:07:52,870 --> 02:07:50,090
me Joe public don't know about I mean

2788
02:07:56,439 --> 02:07:52,880
I'll give you an example the sr-71 spy

2789
02:07:58,600 --> 02:07:56,449
plane that thing came out in the well

2790
02:08:04,030 --> 02:07:58,610
technically late 50s but I'll say early

2791
02:08:07,390 --> 02:08:04,040
60s and up until the late 70s nobody

2792
02:08:08,319 --> 02:08:07,400
really knew much about it was an a

2793
02:08:10,390 --> 02:08:08,329
legend

2794
02:08:12,040 --> 02:08:10,400
so they're wonderful at keeping secrets

2795
02:08:15,910 --> 02:08:12,050
about things like that when they have to

2796
02:08:19,240 --> 02:08:15,920
and if we see some sort of a test

2797
02:08:21,160 --> 02:08:19,250
aircraft the more and more drones are

2798
02:08:23,020 --> 02:08:21,170
getting popular I know I was just with a

2799
02:08:25,240 --> 02:08:23,030
film crew a couple of weeks ago that was

2800
02:08:29,109 --> 02:08:25,250
using one they're everywhere

2801
02:08:32,250 --> 02:08:29,119
uh but we also have a lot really weird

2802
02:08:35,649 --> 02:08:32,260
atmospheric phenomena that people don't

2803
02:08:39,510 --> 02:08:35,659
understand you have like sprites that a

2804
02:08:42,370 --> 02:08:39,520
really unusual thing you get a lot of

2805
02:08:44,350 --> 02:08:42,380
things like the Aurora moving farther

2806
02:08:46,180 --> 02:08:44,360
and farther south depending on the

2807
02:08:48,220 --> 02:08:46,190
electromagnetic activity of the Sun

2808
02:08:50,680 --> 02:08:48,230
which I hear we're having right now I

2809
02:08:52,770 --> 02:08:50,690
should try and check that out but

2810
02:08:55,780 --> 02:08:52,780
there's so many things that can be

2811
02:08:58,390 --> 02:08:55,790
misinterpreted just as in the ghost

2812
02:09:01,270 --> 02:08:58,400
hunting world that if you're going out

2813
02:09:03,430 --> 02:09:01,280
intentionally looking for that one thing

2814
02:09:05,169 --> 02:09:03,440
you're so set in doing it that you're

2815
02:09:08,500 --> 02:09:05,179
not really open to the explanation of it

2816
02:09:11,709 --> 02:09:08,510
being anything else I've worked a few

2817
02:09:13,899 --> 02:09:11,719
UFO cases I'm not the expert just like I

2818
02:09:16,149 --> 02:09:13,909
say with any of this stuff so we would

2819
02:09:18,270 --> 02:09:16,159
bring in and talk to people that were

2820
02:09:20,859 --> 02:09:18,280
experts in searching for

2821
02:09:24,819 --> 02:09:20,869
extraterrestrials things like that to

2822
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:24,829
kind of get the idea of if they are here

2823
02:09:29,979 --> 02:09:27,530
why would they be why would I show up in

2824
02:09:32,470 --> 02:09:29,989
some guys backyard for five minutes

2825
02:09:34,180 --> 02:09:32,480
freak him out and leave it just doesn't

2826
02:09:36,520 --> 02:09:34,190
seem that good of a reason

2827
02:09:39,010 --> 02:09:36,530
and if you look at things like Frank

2828
02:09:42,339 --> 02:09:39,020
Drake in the Drake Equation potentially

2829
02:09:44,350 --> 02:09:42,349
there's billions of life-forms out there

2830
02:09:47,410 --> 02:09:44,360
but then if you start looking at the

2831
02:09:50,020 --> 02:09:47,420
amount of time that we've had since the

2832
02:09:52,629 --> 02:09:50,030
origin of time how long it would take

2833
02:09:54,879 --> 02:09:52,639
for something to evolve into a state

2834
02:09:57,310 --> 02:09:54,889
where it would have travel across the

2835
02:09:59,530 --> 02:09:57,320
universe let's travel across these

2836
02:10:09,320 --> 02:09:59,540
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2837
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2850
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2851
02:10:51,500 --> 02:10:49,170
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2852
02:10:53,330 --> 02:10:51,510
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2853
02:10:54,620 --> 02:10:53,340
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2854
02:10:56,630 --> 02:10:54,630
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2855
02:10:58,550 --> 02:10:56,640
Fred repeats the same tired advertising

2856
02:11:00,650 --> 02:10:58,560
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2857
02:11:03,410 --> 02:11:00,660
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2858
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2859
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2860
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2861
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2862
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2866
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2867
02:11:33,260 --> 02:11:30,330
been downgraded to a tropical depression

2868
02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:33,270
as of 5:00 a.m. Eastern the National

2869
02:11:37,820 --> 02:11:35,370
Weather Service reports it's no longer a

2870
02:11:40,550 --> 02:11:37,830
tropical storm now packing maximum

2871
02:11:42,530 --> 02:11:40,560
sustained winds of 35 miles an hour and

2872
02:11:44,540 --> 02:11:42,540
the center of the storm is about 20

2873
02:11:47,870 --> 02:11:44,550
miles southwest of Columbia South

2874
02:11:50,090 --> 02:11:47,880
Carolina but still dumping buckets of

2875
02:11:52,250 --> 02:11:50,100
rain on the southeast especially the

2876
02:11:54,440 --> 02:11:52,260
Carolinas the Fayetteville mayor said

2877
02:11:56,380 --> 02:11:54,450
late yesterday if you are refusing to

2878
02:11:58,870 --> 02:11:56,390
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2879
02:12:01,600 --> 02:11:58,880
do you need to do things like notify

2880
02:12:04,780 --> 02:12:01,610
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2881
02:12:06,430 --> 02:12:04,790
of life is very possible at least 13

2882
02:12:09,430 --> 02:12:06,440
storm related deaths have been

2883
02:12:11,680 --> 02:12:09,440
attributed to this storm also hundreds

2884
02:12:13,960 --> 02:12:11,690
of thousands remain without power some

2885
02:12:16,270 --> 02:12:13,970
areas having seen up to 30 inches of

2886
02:12:19,990 --> 02:12:16,280
rain already and it will likely continue

2887
02:12:22,930 --> 02:12:20,000
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2911
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2912
02:14:31,900 --> 02:14:30,500
to the Peres cast the gold standard of

2913
02:14:39,149 --> 02:14:31,910
paranormal radio

2914
02:14:44,430 --> 02:14:42,300
so we mentioned Brian jumping across

2915
02:14:46,439 --> 02:14:44,440
space finding a way to go from one star

2916
02:14:50,340 --> 02:14:46,449
system to another do we talk about

2917
02:14:53,660 --> 02:14:50,350
wormholes stargates warp-drive what well

2918
02:14:57,360 --> 02:14:53,670
and that's the thing is these are all

2919
02:14:59,430 --> 02:14:57,370
mostly theoretical in the big scheme of

2920
02:15:02,570 --> 02:14:59,440
things in order for something to have

2921
02:15:05,610 --> 02:15:02,580
gotten here from that great distance a

2922
02:15:10,140 --> 02:15:05,620
lot of the bigger brains then Oliver

2923
02:15:14,610 --> 02:15:10,150
have have said if they do come here but

2924
02:15:16,979 --> 02:15:14,620
we're in trouble we are so low on the

2925
02:15:20,220 --> 02:15:16,989
intelligence scale on the evolution

2926
02:15:21,930 --> 02:15:20,230
scale would they even notice us because

2927
02:15:23,970 --> 02:15:21,940
we're just starting to scrape the

2928
02:15:25,770 --> 02:15:23,980
surface when it comes to our technology

2929
02:15:27,360 --> 02:15:25,780
people are saying you know well they're

2930
02:15:29,459 --> 02:15:27,370
noticing us because we're starting to

2931
02:15:31,260 --> 02:15:29,469
use nuclear weapons well I think in the

2932
02:15:33,810 --> 02:15:31,270
grand scheme it's a nuclear weapons are

2933
02:15:37,160 --> 02:15:33,820
probably not really that big of a deal

2934
02:15:41,490 --> 02:15:37,170
there's a lot worse that could be done

2935
02:15:43,500 --> 02:15:41,500
but like I say in the in the time that

2936
02:15:45,810 --> 02:15:43,510
it takes for something to evolve to the

2937
02:15:49,850 --> 02:15:45,820
point where they have the capability to

2938
02:15:51,959 --> 02:15:49,860
get here and then the time to do that

2939
02:15:54,899 --> 02:15:51,969
we're not even sure that there's been

2940
02:15:58,439 --> 02:15:54,909
enough time for that to happen now if

2941
02:16:01,020 --> 02:15:58,449
there has wouldn't you think that it

2942
02:16:02,850 --> 02:16:01,030
would announce itself to us unless you

2943
02:16:05,540 --> 02:16:02,860
go with some of the other theories of

2944
02:16:08,820 --> 02:16:05,550
you know it's it's some sort of

2945
02:16:11,070 --> 02:16:08,830
something that created us and War Zoo or

2946
02:16:14,459 --> 02:16:11,080
its testing us or things like that which

2947
02:16:16,229 --> 02:16:14,469
now it's great concepts but unless

2948
02:16:18,720 --> 02:16:16,239
there's an accident we're never gonna

2949
02:16:20,810 --> 02:16:18,730
know that for sure what about things

2950
02:16:23,100 --> 02:16:20,820
like Bigfoot what about things like the

2951
02:16:25,200 --> 02:16:23,110
ghosts again people think they are

2952
02:16:28,649 --> 02:16:25,210
spirits of the dead and what about those

2953
02:16:30,930 --> 02:16:28,659
abductions well you know somebody

2954
02:16:32,270 --> 02:16:30,940
brought up an interesting thing I was

2955
02:16:36,060 --> 02:16:32,280
listening to not long ago about

2956
02:16:39,389 --> 02:16:36,070
conspiracies and they said that you know

2957
02:16:41,790 --> 02:16:39,399
this is one of the times that Bigfoot

2958
02:16:45,120 --> 02:16:41,800
especially the cryptids things like that

2959
02:16:48,540 --> 02:16:45,130
are the most believable of the bunch

2960
02:16:52,709 --> 02:16:48,550
because we know for example big hairy

2961
02:16:57,419 --> 02:16:52,719
primates exist we have some we

2962
02:16:59,700 --> 02:16:57,429
are some so well it may not be what

2963
02:17:03,269 --> 02:16:59,710
we're seeing out there at least we know

2964
02:17:05,879 --> 02:17:03,279
that that exists we we have some sort of

2965
02:17:07,290 --> 02:17:05,889
a baseline to run it off of when it

2966
02:17:09,479 --> 02:17:07,300
comes to any of the rest of the

2967
02:17:10,349 --> 02:17:09,489
paranormal we're still grasping at

2968
02:17:13,830 --> 02:17:10,359
straws

2969
02:17:17,209 --> 02:17:13,840
we don't have barring any weird

2970
02:17:21,509 --> 02:17:17,219
conspiracy cover-up stuff any proof of

2971
02:17:24,059 --> 02:17:21,519
any other paranormal anything that's a

2972
02:17:25,740 --> 02:17:24,069
hundred percent credible it would be

2973
02:17:27,150 --> 02:17:25,750
great if we do and that's why we keep

2974
02:17:30,209 --> 02:17:27,160
looking for things and that's why we

2975
02:17:32,219 --> 02:17:30,219
keep doing the research but think of and

2976
02:17:36,950 --> 02:17:32,229
I'll give you two examples here I'll ask

2977
02:17:41,370 --> 02:17:36,960
a question what do you think that the

2978
02:17:44,459 --> 02:17:41,380
worldwide repercussions would be if we

2979
02:17:49,080 --> 02:17:44,469
came up with absolutely conclusive proof

2980
02:17:52,290 --> 02:17:49,090
of ghosts or extraterrestrials that had

2981
02:17:54,419 --> 02:17:52,300
visited here well I think there's a real

2982
02:17:58,679 --> 02:17:54,429
important distinction to make between

2983
02:18:01,229 --> 02:17:58,689
the two because in principle alien

2984
02:18:04,950 --> 02:18:01,239
visitation particularly interstellar

2985
02:18:07,860 --> 02:18:04,960
travel there's nothing in science that

2986
02:18:10,349 --> 02:18:07,870
says that that can't happen or that it's

2987
02:18:13,379 --> 02:18:10,359
not possible however with ghosts if

2988
02:18:15,959 --> 02:18:13,389
we're dealing with this say the usual

2989
02:18:18,660 --> 02:18:15,969
interpretation that it represents a

2990
02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:18,670
person in some afterlife that seems to

2991
02:18:23,099 --> 02:18:22,090
be impossible so it's not it's not the

2992
02:18:25,919 --> 02:18:23,109
same thing at all

2993
02:18:27,809 --> 02:18:25,929
oh no not at all but I think those are

2994
02:18:32,990 --> 02:18:27,819
the two pieces of paranormal research

2995
02:18:35,879 --> 02:18:33,000
that have the most far-reaching effect

2996
02:18:39,150 --> 02:18:35,889
even if we could prove beyond a shadow

2997
02:18:41,240 --> 02:18:39,160
of a doubt that he's been walking around

2998
02:18:45,780 --> 02:18:41,250
in the field for the past twenty years

2999
02:18:49,080 --> 02:18:45,790
that's earth-shattering I mean all of

3000
02:18:50,940 --> 02:18:49,090
our I would say science that have to

3001
02:18:53,309 --> 02:18:50,950
realign a little bit to figure out what

3002
02:18:55,589 --> 02:18:53,319
was going on because come up with proof

3003
02:18:57,929 --> 02:18:55,599
of something that you know it's gonna

3004
02:19:02,700 --> 02:18:57,939
move us so much farther ahead in

3005
02:19:05,580 --> 02:19:02,710
technology so a huge deal now in the

3006
02:19:06,549 --> 02:19:05,590
ghost side and I it it sounds rather

3007
02:19:10,689 --> 02:19:06,559
egotistical

3008
02:19:13,089 --> 02:19:10,699
but if I came up tomorrow and said I've

3009
02:19:15,669 --> 02:19:13,099
absolutely proved beyond a shadow of a

3010
02:19:18,639 --> 02:19:15,679
doubt that life exists after you die and

3011
02:19:21,370 --> 02:19:18,649
I know this because I've talked to my

3012
02:19:26,019 --> 02:19:21,380
great great great grandfather who died

3013
02:19:28,349 --> 02:19:26,029
150 years ago this ghost would be able

3014
02:19:32,080 --> 02:19:28,359
to pass through a lot of information

3015
02:19:34,859 --> 02:19:32,090
world religions would not be happy

3016
02:19:37,030 --> 02:19:34,869
because somebody's gonna be wrong I

3017
02:19:40,240 --> 02:19:37,040
don't know if I want to be in the world

3018
02:19:40,719 --> 02:19:40,250
where that happens because it could get

3019
02:19:43,209 --> 02:19:40,729
ugly

3020
02:19:45,399 --> 02:19:43,219
I'm or it could be a complete new

3021
02:19:47,500 --> 02:19:45,409
Renaissance I don't know well but like

3022
02:19:52,059 --> 02:19:47,510
Jean pointed out earlier there's no way

3023
02:19:56,200 --> 02:19:52,069
to provide sufficient evidence that a

3024
02:19:58,030 --> 02:19:56,210
ghost is somebody's dead relative it

3025
02:20:00,250 --> 02:19:58,040
could simply be something else

3026
02:20:04,059 --> 02:20:00,260
masquerading as that there there is

3027
02:20:07,059 --> 02:20:04,069
however a way to provide scientifically

3028
02:20:10,660 --> 02:20:07,069
verifiable material evidence for

3029
02:20:12,969 --> 02:20:10,670
something like an alien craft it's

3030
02:20:14,740 --> 02:20:12,979
possible to do that I mean I'm not

3031
02:20:17,380 --> 02:20:14,750
saying that we have that now in our own

3032
02:20:18,729 --> 02:20:17,390
in our hands in the public domain but at

3033
02:20:21,069 --> 02:20:18,739
least we know that that's something dis

3034
02:20:23,800 --> 02:20:21,079
possible right but proving an apparition

3035
02:20:27,849 --> 02:20:23,810
is actually someone's dead relative

3036
02:20:29,670 --> 02:20:27,859
that's not possible well then I don't

3037
02:20:33,490 --> 02:20:29,680
want to jump on the believers side but

3038
02:20:36,340 --> 02:20:33,500
in staying completely skeptical I can't

3039
02:20:39,849 --> 02:20:36,350
say it's not impossible highly

3040
02:20:41,710 --> 02:20:39,859
improbable well how would you prove it I

3041
02:20:44,500 --> 02:20:41,720
mean I I've thought about this a lot I

3042
02:20:48,010 --> 02:20:44,510
cannot think of a way that is provable

3043
02:20:50,200 --> 02:20:48,020
and I think the answer is and it may be

3044
02:20:54,250 --> 02:20:50,210
that we find out an answer that's

3045
02:20:56,649 --> 02:20:54,260
completely not ghostly but we find the

3046
02:20:58,920 --> 02:20:56,659
answer for the bulk of things that we

3047
02:21:03,399 --> 02:20:58,930
haven't been able to explain as

3048
02:21:04,780 --> 02:21:03,409
technology advances because we like I

3049
02:21:06,399 --> 02:21:04,790
was saying a minute ago are kind of

3050
02:21:08,830 --> 02:21:06,409
scratching the surface when it comes to

3051
02:21:11,260 --> 02:21:08,840
our our ability in science and

3052
02:21:13,569 --> 02:21:11,270
technology were we're crawling out of

3053
02:21:17,260 --> 02:21:13,579
the mud right now things are moving at a

3054
02:21:20,140 --> 02:21:17,270
good pace but who's to say a hundred

3055
02:21:23,041 --> 02:21:20,150
years from now we don't prove that okay

3056
02:21:25,631 --> 02:21:23,051
the ghosts were it wasn't ghost it was

3057
02:21:27,341 --> 02:21:25,641
interdimensional something or it was you

3058
02:21:30,640 --> 02:21:27,351
know something we were misinterpreting

3059
02:21:33,011 --> 02:21:30,650
because our cultural bias said that it

3060
02:21:36,280 --> 02:21:33,021
was a ghost that is entirely possible

3061
02:21:38,501 --> 02:21:36,290
that that's a point that I've been

3062
02:21:40,660 --> 02:21:38,511
trying to get across to other people

3063
02:21:43,751 --> 02:21:40,670
I've talked to you about go scenting and

3064
02:21:45,820 --> 02:21:43,761
ghost hunters it's almost as if they

3065
02:21:49,030 --> 02:21:45,830
just switch off at that point well no it

3066
02:21:50,890 --> 02:21:49,040
has to be after lives of roaming dead

3067
02:21:53,950 --> 02:21:50,900
people it can't be anything else

3068
02:21:57,070 --> 02:21:53,960
otherwise it completely destroys their

3069
02:21:59,910 --> 02:21:57,080
view of what it is that they're trying

3070
02:22:03,251 --> 02:21:59,920
to explore or explain or get proved on

3071
02:22:05,671 --> 02:22:03,261
exactly and well let me go back to the

3072
02:22:09,341 --> 02:22:05,681
very first question that you asked me

3073
02:22:12,310 --> 02:22:09,351
why did you get into this I think one of

3074
02:22:15,490 --> 02:22:12,320
the most important things for people

3075
02:22:17,470 --> 02:22:15,500
that want to get involved in this they

3076
02:22:19,150 --> 02:22:17,480
need to be able to get involved in it

3077
02:22:21,610 --> 02:22:19,160
for the right reasons

3078
02:22:24,820 --> 02:22:21,620
most people that you talk to in the

3079
02:22:27,720 --> 02:22:24,830
field will say I got into it because I

3080
02:22:31,390 --> 02:22:27,730
had an experience or because I had a

3081
02:22:33,190 --> 02:22:31,400
relative died and I know there has to be

3082
02:22:38,860 --> 02:22:33,200
more and I want to communicate with them

3083
02:22:41,591 --> 02:22:38,870
they are so focused on proving that it's

3084
02:22:45,910 --> 02:22:41,601
real that generally they aren't capable

3085
02:22:49,001 --> 02:22:45,920
of accepting any other answer regardless

3086
02:22:51,070 --> 02:22:49,011
of how credible it may be but we have to

3087
02:22:53,200 --> 02:22:51,080
admit I think probably you would agree

3088
02:22:56,860 --> 02:22:53,210
and correct me if I'm wrong here that

3089
02:23:00,520 --> 02:22:56,870
people are having genuine experiences

3090
02:23:03,490 --> 02:23:00,530
even even if even if we haven't got the

3091
02:23:06,251 --> 02:23:03,500
explanation yet and that some of them

3092
02:23:08,921 --> 02:23:06,261
are pretty interesting there they're not

3093
02:23:12,940 --> 02:23:08,931
always easily explainable sometimes

3094
02:23:18,310 --> 02:23:12,950
they're not explainable at all exactly

3095
02:23:22,860 --> 02:23:18,320
and that's one of the things of even

3096
02:23:25,150 --> 02:23:22,870
people who I've been able to explain

3097
02:23:29,501 --> 02:23:25,160
beyond a shadow of a doubt something

3098
02:23:33,251 --> 02:23:29,511
that's happened to them maybe so

3099
02:23:33,970 --> 02:23:33,261
so sold into it that you you can't

3100
02:23:38,711 --> 02:23:33,980
explain it

3101
02:23:44,440 --> 02:23:38,721
out but at the same time how can I put

3102
02:23:47,591 --> 02:23:44,450
this they believe I mean you can't take

3103
02:23:49,661 --> 02:23:47,601
a lot of belief away from people it's

3104
02:23:52,480 --> 02:23:49,671
it's probably the hardest thing to

3105
02:23:54,970 --> 02:23:52,490
explain somebody away from you know what

3106
02:23:57,161 --> 02:23:54,980
let's get let's get past that we'll talk

3107
02:23:59,860 --> 02:23:57,171
about belief in our final segment and

3108
02:24:11,350 --> 02:23:59,870
possible answers with Brian Jean and

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Randall you're in the para cast thank

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02:28:14,410 --> 02:28:12,290
tradition of slingbow a new frontier and

3203
02:28:16,600 --> 02:28:14,420
archery and truly modern twist on this

3204
02:28:37,840 --> 02:28:16,610
primitive survival tool feel the thrill

3205
02:28:40,810 --> 02:28:37,850
only at slim Oh calm I would say Brian

3206
02:28:43,900 --> 02:28:40,820
it's hard to get people away from their

3207
02:28:46,690 --> 02:28:43,910
beliefs in many cases it's impossible

3208
02:28:48,490 --> 02:28:46,700
well no matter what they believe you

3209
02:28:50,530 --> 02:28:48,500
know you can't persuade them you just

3210
02:28:53,740 --> 02:28:50,540
have to respect them but game back to

3211
02:28:55,750 --> 02:28:53,750
UFO abductions if somebody is frightened

3212
02:28:57,690 --> 02:28:55,760
to death because they've been or they

3213
02:29:00,190 --> 02:28:57,700
think they've been abducted by aliens

3214
02:29:03,010 --> 02:29:00,200
and I know people like that oh

3215
02:29:06,490 --> 02:29:03,020
absolutely and they're probably

3216
02:29:08,710 --> 02:29:06,500
suffering from PTSD some of them really

3217
02:29:11,770 --> 02:29:08,720
really need some help to what's

3218
02:29:14,310 --> 02:29:11,780
happening to them here's the thing I'm

3219
02:29:18,070 --> 02:29:14,320
gonna jump a big fence right here and

3220
02:29:20,650 --> 02:29:18,080
let's assume that there are abductions

3221
02:29:23,500 --> 02:29:20,660
going on let's say that that's just

3222
02:29:25,630 --> 02:29:23,510
happening but a large portion of these

3223
02:29:27,700 --> 02:29:25,640
people it's probably not happening -

3224
02:29:30,300 --> 02:29:27,710
it's something else like you say they've

3225
02:29:32,500 --> 02:29:30,310
got PTSD there's a psychological problem

3226
02:29:34,719 --> 02:29:32,510
there's some other aspect that's really

3227
02:29:36,219 --> 02:29:34,729
driving this I'm not saying it's not a

3228
02:29:39,130 --> 02:29:36,229
real experience I'm saying it's so

3229
02:29:42,070 --> 02:29:39,140
frightening to them that causes some

3230
02:29:44,469 --> 02:29:42,080
kind of psychological damage absolutely

3231
02:29:46,420 --> 02:29:44,479
and the thing is this goes across the

3232
02:29:48,969 --> 02:29:46,430
board with any I hate to use the word

3233
02:29:53,469 --> 02:29:48,979
experience er but I will of any

3234
02:29:57,559 --> 02:29:53,479
paranormal phenomena if it is real to

3235
02:30:01,219 --> 02:29:57,569
you regardless if it's real or not

3236
02:30:06,170 --> 02:30:01,229
it's still real to you if it's causing

3237
02:30:08,420 --> 02:30:06,180
any kind of psychological harm they need

3238
02:30:11,389 --> 02:30:08,430
to see counseling and they need to seek

3239
02:30:13,579 --> 02:30:11,399
the right counseling I'm gonna say that

3240
02:30:19,719 --> 02:30:13,589
especially of the UFO world because

3241
02:30:22,359 --> 02:30:19,729
there there are a lot of UFO contactee

3242
02:30:26,569 --> 02:30:22,369
specialists that I think do a lot more

3243
02:30:29,059 --> 02:30:26,579
damage than they do good I've kind of go

3244
02:30:31,489 --> 02:30:29,069
back to the 80s and the Satanic panic

3245
02:30:36,590 --> 02:30:31,499
and implanted memories I have dealt with

3246
02:30:41,059 --> 02:30:36,600
a lot of those people and had to do work

3247
02:30:43,250 --> 02:30:41,069
backwards from that and unfortunately is

3248
02:30:45,889 --> 02:30:43,260
somebody that's an expert really needs

3249
02:30:48,099 --> 02:30:45,899
to be make sure they're an expert in the

3250
02:30:50,840 --> 02:30:48,109
psycho the psychological field they're

3251
02:30:54,380 --> 02:30:50,850
working in and I tell this to people

3252
02:30:56,420 --> 02:30:54,390
even with ghostly experiences this has

3253
02:31:01,210 --> 02:30:56,430
been something that has affected you may

3254
02:31:03,369 --> 02:31:01,220
be negatively seek counseling even if

3255
02:31:07,040 --> 02:31:03,379
especially on the ghost side of things

3256
02:31:10,569 --> 02:31:07,050
well I I'm not a you know proponent of

3257
02:31:14,149 --> 02:31:10,579
religion if you are a member of a church

3258
02:31:17,300 --> 02:31:14,159
go talk to your pastor your your priest

3259
02:31:19,130 --> 02:31:17,310
your whoever it is your rabbi that's

3260
02:31:22,010 --> 02:31:19,140
what they're there for is to help you

3261
02:31:24,590 --> 02:31:22,020
cope with things in the UFO side it's

3262
02:31:27,260 --> 02:31:24,600
the same thing if something is happening

3263
02:31:28,939 --> 02:31:27,270
or isn't happening it's still impacting

3264
02:31:32,269 --> 02:31:28,949
you and you need to get some help to

3265
02:31:35,510 --> 02:31:32,279
deal with it in ufology we've heard

3266
02:31:39,229 --> 02:31:35,520
quite a bit in the last few decades

3267
02:31:42,559 --> 02:31:39,239
about people using hypnotherapy as a

3268
02:31:44,929 --> 02:31:42,569
means to recover memories about their

3269
02:31:48,439 --> 02:31:44,939
various experiences do ghost

3270
02:31:50,149 --> 02:31:48,449
investigators do the same thing or is

3271
02:31:50,929 --> 02:31:50,159
that something that they avoid god I

3272
02:31:52,969 --> 02:31:50,939
hope not

3273
02:31:54,889 --> 02:31:52,979
just to kind of give you an idea about

3274
02:31:57,199 --> 02:31:54,899
this when we were doing a lot of UFO

3275
02:31:59,359 --> 02:31:57,209
type stuff the whole hypnotherapy thing

3276
02:32:02,329 --> 02:31:59,369
came up and because I was familiar with

3277
02:32:04,219 --> 02:32:02,339
like I say the whole satanic panic thing

3278
02:32:06,340 --> 02:32:04,229
going back in the 80s and how the

3279
02:32:08,719 --> 02:32:06,350
implanted memories were working I

3280
02:32:11,690 --> 02:32:08,729
actually went out and got certified as a

3281
02:32:13,610 --> 02:32:11,700
hypnotist to find out

3282
02:32:15,921 --> 02:32:13,620
how it works what does it do and what

3283
02:32:20,180 --> 02:32:15,931
shouldn't you do and one of the things

3284
02:32:25,570 --> 02:32:20,190
they always will tell you is when you're

3285
02:32:29,421 --> 02:32:25,580
using hypnosis for psychotherapy never

3286
02:32:33,261 --> 02:32:29,431
use regression because regression is a

3287
02:32:37,610 --> 02:32:33,271
dangerous thing that you can generally

3288
02:32:42,591 --> 02:32:37,620
hurt more than help because it's so easy

3289
02:32:47,180 --> 02:32:42,601
for the bias of the hypnotist counselor

3290
02:32:50,000 --> 02:32:47,190
therapist whatever they are to use their

3291
02:32:52,850 --> 02:32:50,010
own biases to cause or create past

3292
02:32:56,120 --> 02:32:52,860
experiences I know I've got a couple of

3293
02:32:58,730 --> 02:32:56,130
people that they probably don't like me

3294
02:33:00,470 --> 02:32:58,740
but as experiments I've been planted

3295
02:33:04,730 --> 02:33:00,480
memories into them to see if it would

3296
02:33:09,020 --> 02:33:04,740
work and it absolutely does and it's

3297
02:33:11,030 --> 02:33:09,030
such a dangerous thing to do and one of

3298
02:33:15,890 --> 02:33:11,040
the things and I'll give you an example

3299
02:33:19,131 --> 02:33:15,900
here is they say that the experience was

3300
02:33:21,860 --> 02:33:19,141
so overwhelming that they've pushed that

3301
02:33:24,671 --> 02:33:21,870
memory away and they can't remember it

3302
02:33:28,070 --> 02:33:24,681
unless they they go through this the

3303
02:33:32,140 --> 02:33:28,080
therapy to do it if that was the case

3304
02:33:36,591 --> 02:33:32,150
let's take somebody that was in a war

3305
02:33:39,980 --> 02:33:36,601
somebody who has true PSTD from from a

3306
02:33:42,680 --> 02:33:39,990
war experience you never hear them say I

3307
02:33:46,910 --> 02:33:42,690
went to a therapist or I went to a

3308
02:33:48,890 --> 02:33:46,920
hypnotist and had to have this memory of

3309
02:33:51,921 --> 02:33:48,900
this horrible thing that happened to me

3310
02:33:54,440 --> 02:33:51,931
brought up so we could deal with it they

3311
02:33:57,020 --> 02:33:54,450
go there because they can't get away

3312
02:33:59,930 --> 02:33:57,030
from it they can't stop reliving it it's

3313
02:34:00,740 --> 02:33:59,940
such a horrible thing to them the

3314
02:34:05,320 --> 02:34:00,750
interesting point

3315
02:34:08,570 --> 02:34:05,330
this yelling of repressing memories

3316
02:34:12,850 --> 02:34:08,580
unfortunately is seeming to appear to be

3317
02:34:15,710 --> 02:34:12,860
a byproduct of a couple of really bad

3318
02:34:18,650 --> 02:34:15,720
psychiatrists back in the 70s and 80s

3319
02:34:21,140 --> 02:34:18,660
and I think PTSD is a wonderful example

3320
02:34:24,211 --> 02:34:21,150
of that if you have a traumatizing

3321
02:34:26,430 --> 02:34:24,221
experience you're going to remember it

3322
02:34:28,261 --> 02:34:26,440
and it's gonna be the worst thing that

3323
02:34:29,700 --> 02:34:28,271
ever happened to you I'm just sort of

3324
02:34:33,421 --> 02:34:29,710
moving along a little bit before the end

3325
02:34:35,371 --> 02:34:33,431
of the show how about things like then

3326
02:34:38,341 --> 02:34:35,381
the channelers the people who do the

3327
02:34:41,310 --> 02:34:38,351
past life regression type of things so

3328
02:34:44,520 --> 02:34:41,320
say someone sees oh I saw my dead

3329
02:34:47,671 --> 02:34:44,530
grandmother and or somebody that was

3330
02:34:49,411 --> 02:34:47,681
dressed in some medieval outfit

3331
02:34:52,860 --> 02:34:49,421
wandering through the halls and then

3332
02:34:55,711 --> 02:34:52,870
they get in touch with them and the next

3333
02:34:57,690 --> 02:34:55,721
thing you know they're saying oh well in

3334
02:34:59,671 --> 02:34:57,700
your past life you knew this person and

3335
02:35:01,411 --> 02:34:59,681
so on you know what I'm saying I know

3336
02:35:03,780 --> 02:35:01,421
what you're saying and strangely no if

3337
02:35:06,360 --> 02:35:03,790
I've been on the testing end of a lot of

3338
02:35:08,820 --> 02:35:06,370
psychics and Chandler's and things along

3339
02:35:11,520 --> 02:35:08,830
that line haven't seen a lot of good

3340
02:35:13,831 --> 02:35:11,530
results but I I can't say there aren't

3341
02:35:16,921 --> 02:35:13,841
any because I'm gonna remain skeptical

3342
02:35:19,650 --> 02:35:16,931
but at the same time it's it's been one

3343
02:35:22,560 --> 02:35:19,660
of the the jokes of past life regression

3344
02:35:24,331 --> 02:35:22,570
of how many people could have been Cesar

3345
02:35:27,720 --> 02:35:24,341
how many people could have been

3346
02:35:30,091 --> 02:35:27,730
Cleopatra you don't regressed and say oh

3347
02:35:31,831 --> 02:35:30,101
I was a stablehand in some unknown thing

3348
02:35:35,161 --> 02:35:31,841
in the middle of Europe no you were

3349
02:35:36,990 --> 02:35:35,171
royalty right well these fixes your

3350
02:35:39,331 --> 02:35:37,000
problem now you say you know what

3351
02:35:41,251 --> 02:35:39,341
right now I'm a ditch-digger and that's

3352
02:35:44,430 --> 02:35:41,261
honorable work any kind of work is

3353
02:35:45,301 --> 02:35:44,440
honorable you get a day's pay you do

3354
02:35:47,190 --> 02:35:45,311
your job

3355
02:35:49,350 --> 02:35:47,200
that's honorable it's like that actor

3356
02:35:51,751 --> 02:35:49,360
used to be in the was it The Cosby Show

3357
02:35:55,081 --> 02:35:51,761
or something and he's working at Trader

3358
02:35:57,360 --> 02:35:55,091
Joe's as a cashier and they discovered

3359
02:35:59,730 --> 02:35:57,370
he's being shamed by a certain TV

3360
02:36:03,871 --> 02:35:59,740
network but it's like a story about him

3361
02:36:07,261 --> 02:36:03,881
get some work with Tyler Perry with one

3362
02:36:10,051 --> 02:36:07,271
of the NCIS shows guys a credible actor

3363
02:36:13,230 --> 02:36:10,061
with a Yale degree point is anything but

3364
02:36:17,100 --> 02:36:13,240
that doesn't mean that you want to have

3365
02:36:19,171 --> 02:36:17,110
been reincarnated from Caesar or JFK or

3366
02:36:21,541 --> 02:36:19,181
something you wanna know that at one

3367
02:36:23,940 --> 02:36:21,551
time in your past you were someone

3368
02:36:25,440 --> 02:36:23,950
famous listen we just about have time so

3369
02:36:26,850 --> 02:36:25,450
perhaps you can tell our listeners if

3370
02:36:30,990 --> 02:36:26,860
they want to get more information about

3371
02:36:33,270 --> 02:36:31,000
the research you do Brian Bonner where

3372
02:36:36,121 --> 02:36:33,280
do they go they would go to Rocky

3373
02:36:38,220 --> 02:36:36,131
Mountain paranormal comm there's about

3374
02:36:40,110 --> 02:36:38,230
20 years worth of stuff

3375
02:36:42,390 --> 02:36:40,120
on there so there's a lot to dig through

3376
02:36:44,761 --> 02:36:42,400
and here I'll throw out one weird one

3377
02:36:48,421 --> 02:36:44,771
I'm about to start on a completely new

3378
02:36:51,480 --> 02:36:48,431
podcast that's strictly horror because

3379
02:36:53,640 --> 02:36:51,490
like I said previously I'm absolutely a

3380
02:36:55,530 --> 02:36:53,650
horror freak thanks to my mother and

3381
02:36:58,680 --> 02:36:55,540
that will be starting up in the next

3382
02:37:01,711 --> 02:36:58,690
probably few weeks and that's at do you

3383
02:37:05,600 --> 02:37:01,721
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3384
02:37:08,371 --> 02:37:05,610
can find us on Twitter no scary movies

3385
02:37:11,060 --> 02:37:08,381
just look for the power cast we have two

3386
02:37:14,640 --> 02:37:11,070
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3387
02:37:16,740 --> 02:37:14,650
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3388
02:37:20,430 --> 02:37:16,750
understand if you do that now what they

3389
02:37:23,091 --> 02:37:20,440
do is they they eliminate that one and

3390
02:37:26,730 --> 02:37:23,101
we lose the content we also are working

3391
02:37:30,511 --> 02:37:26,740
on a brand new para cache site with a

3392
02:37:32,761 --> 02:37:30,521
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3393
02:37:34,440 --> 02:37:32,771
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3394
02:37:35,881 --> 02:37:34,450
this in a few days you might see it when

3395
02:37:38,220 --> 02:37:35,891
you hear this show okay

3396
02:37:39,841 --> 02:37:38,230
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3397
02:37:42,180 --> 02:37:39,851
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3398
02:37:45,990 --> 02:37:42,190
things we're also looking at better ways

3399
02:37:47,520 --> 02:37:46,000
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3400
02:37:50,100 --> 02:37:47,530
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3401
02:37:53,280 --> 02:37:50,110
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3402
02:37:55,530 --> 02:37:53,290
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3403
02:37:59,131 --> 02:37:55,540
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3404
02:38:01,680 --> 02:37:59,141
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3405
02:38:04,381 --> 02:38:01,690
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3406
02:38:07,201 --> 02:38:04,391
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3407
02:38:08,940 --> 02:38:07,211
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3408
02:38:10,801 --> 02:38:08,950
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3409
02:38:14,490 --> 02:38:10,811
didn't know what to expect from you and

3410
02:38:16,740 --> 02:38:14,500
I'm pleased to understand your skeptical

3411
02:38:19,081 --> 02:38:16,750
approach to paranormal research for a

3412
02:38:21,091 --> 02:38:19,091
refreshing Brian Bonner thank you for

3413
02:38:22,640 --> 02:38:21,101
joining us on the para cast Craig

3414
02:38:34,810 --> 02:38:22,650
meeting you

3415
02:38:41,360 --> 02:38:38,330
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3416
02:38:44,200 --> 02:38:41,370
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3417
02:38:47,961 --> 02:38:44,210
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3418
02:38:51,960 --> 02:38:47,971
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